K1 - K3 - K Chips ?

[RayJordan]

JR,
Glad to read your input on this. Please persuade me that having colonized biochips in my DIY moving bed filter utilizing K1 creates additional organic waste or BOD.

[JasPR]

Ray, I remember being amazed by the number of 'walking sticks', frogs and misc. invertebrates that came out of a mudpond pull of one of Shintaro mud ponds. I thought to myself " what a healthy pond and full of food items for the tosai held within". A great food chain I thought at the time. It was Toshio Sakai, upon hearing of my approval of such a system, who said " that is a very bad pond because the other living things compete for oxygen and other nutrients with the young koi.
A koi pond is an illusion- part nature but part a man made environment. It can not have a full and broad ecosystem because the fish, at 'the top of the chain' are out of balance with the rest of the chain. This is why a natural koi pond is an impossibility. It is just too small. But it does have the potential for all natural biological processes. So we need to exploit and control that potential.
The idea that a media should provide more than excess surface per square yard for beneficial bacteria ( of many species), is a marketing thing. It might warm the cockles of the heart to know that there is a potential zone for higher forms of invertebrate life, but in real terms, it is irrelevant. And worse, a burden on the limited resources of a closed system. - JR

[MysticKoi]

Jim,

So, are these micro animals not present in open bay static media filters? I suspect they are, and probably in even higher numbers than possible in a fluidized environment. In either case, are you still suggesting that they have a negative impact on BOD?

Kind Regards,
Bill

[dick benbow]

i did want to mention that when it comes to advanced filtration the closer we attempt to close the gap between where our individual ponds are at currently and where we would be influenced as to where they should be , the more expensive is the effort for a smaller and smaller % of return

In my mind, It's much like getting carried away with filtration set up in series. Tho we augment each following chamber with O2 the contribution each chamber makes from the preceeding one is marketly less and less. So at what
stage do we get the best bank for the buck and is that little extra worth the additional expense?

BTW thanks Bill for the explaination of k-i and k-3, that was helpful.

I would really like to hear from someone using it, who initally had a high standard of water quality and hear first hand thru documentation what difference the discs make.
I have friends of mine in europe who were testing it prior to release and had good things to say about it making a difference. The problem I have is to know exactly where they were at, water quality wise ,when they started and where they arrived with the new media. But I never seem to be able to find anyone that documented the before and after in such a way that I could appreciate the advance made.

[HEADACHE6]

So , so far these "Bugs" that the Chips can produce are of no or little importance ? Living on a Golf Course , I see guys dropping big money on golf clubs so to get 5% more on their Tee shot . I bring this up because I'm not interested in spending triple the money (Chips-vs-K1 in cubic ft) to gain 5% more bio .

Chips .9 Cubic Ft. $140
K1 1.77 Cubic Ft. $80

[Russell Peters]

Quote: Originally Posted by HEADACHE6 So , so far these "Bugs" that the Chips can produce are of no or little importance ? Living on a Golf Course , I see guys dropping big money on golf clubs so to get 5% more on their Tee shot . I bring this up because I'm not interested in spending triple the money (Chips-vs-K1 in cubic ft) to gain 5% more bio . Chips .9 Cubic Ft. $140 K1 1.77 Cubic Ft. $80

Excellant point, I think it shagows what JR is saying.

[MysticKoi]

Quote: Excellant point, I think it shagows what JR is saying.

Russ... thanks for adding insight into the discussion. Point is, you missed the point. The BioChips are not designed for additional bio-nitrification. So instead, may I ask, do you have any personal insight into the relevant topic?

Kind Regards,
Bill

[Russell Peters]

Quote: Originally Posted by MysticKoi Russ... thanks for adding insight into the discussion. Point is, you missed the point. The BioChips are not designed for additional bio-nitrification. So instead, may I ask, do you have any personal insight into the relevant topic? Kind Regards, Bill

Your welcome........it is all marketing crap and bullshit. I did not miss the point. I am just getting tired of the point.

It is mostly pointless.

[MysticKoi]

Quote: it is all marketing crap and bullshit

Very intelligent response.

[Russell Peters]

Quote: Originally Posted by MysticKoi Very intelligent response.

LOL! The truth hurts doesn't it.