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Old 07-16-2007   #1 (permalink)
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Anacharis and Koi

So, I've been trying to increase biological filtration with the use of Anacharis. I thought my koi were only flake and pellet eaters but now that I've introduced the plant, they are happily grazing on it. My koi are small so I don't know how much they will eat away but it's kind of disturbing to see new decor being eaten right away. Are the koi just sampling the leaves or are they eating it? What can I do to protect the plants?
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What can I do to protect the plants?
Put the plants and koi in serperate ponds. Plants need relative shallow water. Koi are riverine carp that can grow to a meter. The koi do best in strong current and depth....things that most water garden plants will not like.
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The koi don't know the plants are decorative - they just think, "Oh goodie! The airbreather gave us a salad bar!"

Seriously, I've never been able to have koi and plants together. My pond is too deep, and the koi too destructive. Rather have my beautiful fish than plants in the pond anyway. I have a couple of mini lilies in pots on the deck; no fish in the pots.
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So, I've been trying to increase biological filtration with the use of Anacharis. I thought my koi were only flake and pellet eaters but now that I've introduced the plant, they are happily grazing on it. My koi are small so I don't know how much they will eat away but it's kind of disturbing to see new decor being eaten right away. Are the koi just sampling the leaves or are they eating it? What can I do to protect the plants?
Plants do not oxidize amonnia, so using plants for biological purposes will do you no real good. Some plants will remove nitrates but as far as I know that is all. Your better off removing the plants all together.
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Anacharis is very tasty. As the koi grow, it will be gone. Advice given above is right-on. If you are going to use some floating plants anyway, they do not seem to like the taste of hornwort.
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Your little aquarium fishies will benefit from you having added plants to their diet.

Just plan on replacing the 'missing' anarchis regularly.
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Terrible! I woke up this morning to see my bundles of Anacharis almost uprooted. Sigh, but the weird part is they mostly just pick at the leaves and then drop them. Hmm...

Oh yeah, something for you pond keepers. Plants actually contribute a lot to biological filtration. It's a common misconception that plants only absorb nitrates. In fact, they'd much prefer ammonia next to nitrates. Here's a great scientific article.

Aqua Botanic - Plants and biological filtration
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azn . . .

Ponds are not just big aquariums located outdoors -- they are so much more.

And your tank article is totally not applicable to a multi-thousand gallon pond stocked with BIG koi.

Apples and oranges.
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Azndragon: It is a bit of nostagia to see that Walstad article. The science is good. When I got started with plant aquaria in '91-'92, Diana was my hero(ine). Solid on the science, but also an advocate of low-tech aquaria techniques. I loved the combo & ditched my CO2 infusion. We corresponded (no email in those days!), and her advice was usually on target even when she had to be intuitive to fill the data gaps. The part of the puzzle you're missing, however, is the volume of ammonia emitted by the fish and the quantity/growth rate of plants required to utilize that volume of ammonia. In the plant aquaria hobby, a 50 gallon heavily planted tank might have a half dozen Otocinclus, a few mystery snails and a dozen cardinal tetras. Forget the pics in the Amano books with two dozen tetras, and a dozen shrimp in a 15 gallon tank. They were show for the photos. Look close & you'll see that the tetras were tiny specimens, freshly imported and a bit scrawny.

The volume of actively growing plants necessary to consume the ammonia emitted by one 24" koi would fill the surface of a pond having several hundred square feet of surface area. Remember, in Nature they live together... hundreds of thousands of gallons of water filled with plants and one carp. For plant aquaria, the fish are secondary. They add some movement; and their ammonia and other wastes fertilize the plants. But, if there are more than a very low stocking, there is too much nutrient and algae will overwhelm the tank.

There is an old thread where I ranted about plant filter hype hoodwinking consumers. Search for it. Worth the read!

BTW, I still have my plant tanks...and I keep a lot of fish in them. Long story of what it takes, but I don't rely on a "natural balance".
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Azn: Couldn't pass up the opening to take a photo. ...2" Cardinal tets.
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