Quality vs. Pattern?

[l113892]

Marudo
Unconventional pattern.

[aquitori]

Quote: Originally Posted by l113892 Marudo Unconventional pattern.

Nice Sanke Mike. Very interesting pattern and great quality....I am sure the price of that fish is not on the average of what some would find here in the states....

[dick benbow]

No Sorry, I didn't have my camera, The best I could discribe it was it looked like a typical shusui, douitsu etc but the red was not that reddish orange it was kohaku red(more or a true red) and instead of being a ribbon of red along
a blue back, it was a white back with typical kohaku stepped pattern.

Tony Prew at oregon Koi got it for the owner, and I asked tony to look for one for me the following year but that breeder did not have any more.

very kool koi!

[MikeM]

A male Kosui.

[Russell Peters]

We got a few Kosui from Hosokai last year.

[koiczar]

Dick

As Russ pointed out, Hosokai does produce Kosui, albeit in small numbers.

MikeM

Is that a pic of a fish from Carl Forss? If so, it was purchased at Hosokai, if memory serves me well, in fall of '05!?

Mike

[Steve Nguyen]

Quote: Originally Posted by MikeM A male Kosui.

thanks for the pix, Mike! somewhat closely resembling doitsu kohaku

personally, I think I stay with the original kohaku and shusui.

Steve

[MikeM]

Yes, a pic borrowed from Keirin Koi's site some time ago... from Hosokai.

Kind of like a doitsu kohaku???... Well, how about a doitsu goshiki? ...I think Kosui is a curious marketing label. The genetic base is the same as what is called Goshiki when the parents are fully scaled. There are many 'lines' of Goshiki today. Some from the old crosses of 50+ years ago, and some from re-makes of more contemporary lines of Asagi and Kohaku. It suddenly becomes Kosui when Shusui is a parent rather than Asagi. Shusui are no longer merely doitsu Asagi, due to having been bred for characteristics unique to Shusui and disliked in Asagi, such as Hi above the lateral line. I can go along with the giving of a different name as a result, but the relationship with Goshiki is close enough that I'd not argue with a Doitsu Goshiki label. Query: Since Asagi and Shusui are judged together for shows, should Goshiki from Kohaku x Asagi be judged with Kosui from Shusui x Kohaku? Why not?

[MikeM]

Where's JR???.... He should be lecturing me on Doitsu being a separate judging class, etc.