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Old 09-14-2007   #1 (permalink)
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Sakai Hiroshima Kohak, 24inches...4 year old.

Sakai Hiroshima Kohak, 24inches...4 year old. What do you think?
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I like it a lot. But is 24' and 4 years old not a bit small for SFF? Besides that little detail I would love this one swimming in my pond. hi seems young, like the pattern, body looks like it has lots of room to grow. If the price is good, Yes for me.
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Right. Where's the growth? It's not in the length and it sure isn't in the volume? At four you should be seeing more. I'd be more excited if you said it was two or three and then I wouldn't be looking for volume so much. JR
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Right. Where's the growth? It's not in the length and it sure isn't in the volume? At four you should be seeing more. I'd be more excited if you said it was two or three and then I wouldn't be looking for volume so much. JR
True on the size...it should be maybe atleast 28-30" at 4 years old...
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I like it, it would probably never swim in my pond thouht.
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I like it, it would probably never swim in my pond thouht.
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Is it yours? Looks good to me.

IMO, this kohaku has a good balance pattern, beni ok, body confirmation and girth are there, I will prefer its to put on more weight. Ideally, lenght at this age is >75cm, but don't really matter, so long is health and nice. Oops.. yes..Its look like a he for me? I don't think I can find one better than this in my pond
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Here is a fact, Koi are inderminate growers. Or at least some lines are. This is a scientific argument and is still not resolved as to whether koi are determinate growers vs indeterminate growers or actual indeterminate growers but just slow dramatically as they age.

Personally, I suspect that they are indeterminate growers given the right diet and conditions. But growth is defined in many ways and not just length.
a larvae 'grows' in organ development and mass. A fry grows in length and then mass. A juvenile koi will grow in length. A sexually mature koi will grow in mass due to reproductive organ growth. And koi can increase size of existing muscle mass and/or they can also add new muscle mass . So there are many kinds of growth.

I have a friend who owns a VERY expensive Dainichi Kohaku. The fish was pegged to be a contender at the highest levels in the National Japanese shows. She is a MONSTER in length! But she ( and she is a 'she') has never acquired the girth to compete at THE SHOW. So each year she is pampered and let go into adult mud ponds and each fall she is harvested a little longer but no fuller. It is her natural body type, unfortunately. She is the ultimate tategoi- promising the full package but never quite getting the right look. In her case it is the volume that is forever missing- the kiss of death in the jumbo catagory. She is now 10.
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Interesting JR.

This fish looks like a two year old in every way.
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Very interesting JR...Do you have a photo of her to show us? how she looks like.
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