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Old 10-09-2007   #11 (permalink)
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Some very nice fish shown here, but it's Showa #13 (last fish on page #10) that really speaks to me.

It's 52 cm long with a wide body, a thick tail tube, balanced 4 step pattern with sumi rising in all 3 shiro breaks, nice menware and tight motoguru. Wow!

Say, what's a second mortgage going for these days?
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Old 10-09-2007   #12 (permalink)
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Rob, isn't that the Sanke you have at your store that won the dealer division up at sac show?
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That is one and the same sanke.

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Some very nice fish shown here, but it's Showa #13 (last fish on page #10) that really speaks to me.

It's 52 cm long with a wide body, a thick tail tube, balanced 4 step pattern with sumi rising in all 3 shiro breaks, nice menware and tight motoguru. Wow!

Say, what's a second mortgage going for these days?
That's my favorite showa as well
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Old 10-09-2007   #14 (permalink)
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doesn't anyone like kohaku?

#17 does it for me. Mike if I Had to pick a sanke that you'd like, that would have been the one!
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Are we talking $4,000 and up for these koi?
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Well, Dick, nobody else wants to talk about Sanke #8. So, talk about why you'd pick that one for me ...as if I'd ever let you do that!

I'm focused on the strength of the body structure and not concerned that she has less volume at this age compared to the others. The Hi pattern is acceptable. The Sumi is unbalanced now, but I'd guess more will come in the front half in time. (I'd love to see a tosai photo showing Sumi distribution.) I'm seeing Matsunosuke in her. I cannot tell about the Beni quality, but from what I can see it looks pretty good. The only negative to my eye is the yellowish tones in the pecs and head. I'm uncertain whether that is something to worry over at this age?? (If she goes for as much as I'd guess, I'd worry over everything. No satisfaction guarantee at these auctions!)
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Mike, I love to study the likes of different koi kichi's. One of the things I've learned about you is that your a fundamentals man. When you pull up the page with the sanke you like on it and look at the left and right, you can see the promise of body shape on the one you selected. This fish will develop into a very nice koi. I think to me and my 30 years of study is that sumi is the telling factor to select from on sanke and not beni. The sumi is not broken into pieces that come together. What is showing looks good and is uniform thru out the body with no patches of sunken sumi.
I would bet that in 2 years when this koi skips a year in the mud and is worked on in a cement pond ( if I may borrow a jingle from an old pepsodent commercial) you'll wonder where the yellow went also because of the type of sumi it is I suspect good gloss and sheen on the skin as it finishes. and yes your right, seeing such a koi in it's tosai stage will give us an idea of what to expect it's third year. To me what one needs to see in it's second year is there. The sumi reminds me somewhat of the old kichinai bloodline. I don't think there will be an over abundance of sumi but what there is of it will be nice and refined.
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Are we talking $4,000 and up for these koi?
I guess it depends how many people are going to be at the auction and who is going to be there. Alot of people mean the prices will be driven up and less people will mean a great deal.
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I guess it depends how many people are going to be at the auction and who is going to be there. Alot of people mean the prices will be driven up and less people will mean a great deal.
what's the start bidding tag?

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what's the start bidding tag?

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Dinh,
I think it starts at $1000.00
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