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Old 11-02-2007   #1 (permalink)
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How to select Budo Goromo

I'm interested in learning what qualities to look for in young 2-3 yr old Budo Goromo. I know there are a couple of different types of Budo Goromo, which complicates things. I've attached a couple of images to reference. Please tell which one you would select and why. I know body conformation is pretty standard, but let’s look at what we expect the finish to be instead.
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Old 11-02-2007   #2 (permalink)
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i pick fish A it looks cool

(the one in the left tub)
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Old 11-02-2007   #3 (permalink)
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A,B,E,F in the first picture are not Budo Goromo. They are Ai-Goromo.
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B Ai goromo left pic...
B Budo in right pic.

I like those patterns best...
If I had to take 1 it would be the Ai goromo in left pic.

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If I had $2000 I would have already relieved champ koi of koi b in the 2nd photo
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I would like to have "B" from the left and right tub too. Nice pattern and body confirmation.
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Someone may have beaten you to B on the left tube, it's already reserved.
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Do you have to call them to find out whats reserved?
It doesn't look like they mark it on website.
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Old 11-03-2007   #9 (permalink)
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this is a perfect example of JR's cut flower analogy

Goromo means robed, as if the kohaku had something over it's pattern.
Budo is grape and Ai is blue, there is also sumi ( black obviously)

This is a very transitory color variety, meaning it quite quickly comes into it's own and then slides downhill fairly fast, like JR's "cut Flower" expression.
It was my wife's favorite pattern so I had quite a bit of experience with it.

What i learned was that the older they get with the least amount of color showing in the beni is the one to target. Of the examples given, I would choose A in the left bowl.

There are always rare exceptions that hold their patterns but most come and go so have the expectation that as they age they begin to darken.

When it comes to tosai, I look for one that looks like a kohaku but on the front edge of it's pattern (sashi) you can just determine a dark edge. Stay
away from those already showing reticulation in the beni especially in the head and shoulder area. Sometimes you will find a little showing in the last step by the tail.

If I had a notion to select one again, I would select Ai and from a breeder I knew that had bred it from a male asagi and female kohaku. Like beni kumonryu, there are some color varieties that loose something special
when bred like to like and in my opinion this is one of them.Especially when it comes to sumi goromo. They seem to darken and stain so quickly.

I think we are drawn to the color because the white is usually so attractive as to catch our eye almost immediately.

The best Budo I ever saw was owned by Pat and Larry Christianson from Oregon. "stormy" was a show favorite and was bred by Konishi.
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Thank you, Dick!

the first 7 responses didn't address the question of "How to select Budo Goromo"?

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