Sanke or Showa

[koibooi]

I bought this Koi when visiting Dainichi in October. Would you say it is a Sanke or a Kindai Showa.

[JasPR]

Babooi, I'd say neither- or both! It is too beautiful to cull for the year 2007. Great skin and that lovely Dainichi look to the beni, shiroji and sumi. I have a sanke that looks like it might be from the same parents? But the fish is truly showing that it is a mix. The sanke is beginning to wrap the body ( a showa trait ) but everything else is gosanke like. The sumi on the face of course suggests showa but the sumi is wrong for showa both in type and nature ( the way it appears as a sanke strip rather than a showa face pattern).

here is my Dainichi sanke by the way, you can see the type resemblance--

( PS, check out the sanke eye shadow on the eye browe)

[111whalen]

My vote is Showa-but it is close. The sumi does look more like Sanke sumi. I just can't get past the black on the head-feels Showa. The fish has great quality-the white and the luster look strong. JR-Show the Showa? Not sure the judges would be kind. JR, yours looks more Sanke.

[JasPR]

Hi Mark,

O, mine is sanke. His is likely sanke also. If you go back, many kohaku lines has sanke in the wood pile. Then kohaku became pure and separate. Then it was used to lift sanke and showa beni.
Now many are using a sanke showa mix to help showa in the size and skin area. And these 'middle' hybrids are usually culled, but as I said this is a nice fish and that would be a shame. But as a show fish? I would think this is more a 'collector's ' fish and something for the collector that appreciates quality elements for want they are. But too far afield from the standard. After all, the standard is for re-enforcement of the genetic goal. And the koi show becomes the art critic of an individual work of living art. Don't think this fish can make the cut as a sanke any more so it could attempt to try and be a showa? But a good judge will not see this as a kindai showa but rather a high class cull of sanke , I suspect. A truely beautiful third place fish.
That sumi on the nose might give the atmosphere of a showa as far as pattern goes. But the type and shape suggest sanke. IMHO JR

[RookieKoiGuy]

I say SANKE

[KoiCop]

Koibooi . . .

A lovely Collector's Fish that I'm sure will provide years and years of viewing pleasure.

[aquitori]

I say the formentioned as old style Sanke.

[Nancy M.]

Here is another example, she is a friends fish, and a lot of people could not decide if she was showa or sanke

[aquitori]

Quote: Originally Posted by Nancy M. Here is another example, she is a friends fish, and a lot of people could not decide if she was showa or sanke

Looks like the old Jimbei line of Sanke.

[jbolding]

I would venture that Koibooi's fish is a sanke due to the sumi type and the fish Nancy posted is a showa for the same reason.