Nitrite poisoning? Help.....!

[An Ly]

Hi Isis, sometime it takes more than 2 scrap to see any parasites, couple of months ago had an outbreak of flukes on of my fish was flashing, so took it out and did scrape, didn't see anything, took another scrape, nothing, after 6 attempt found the flukes. I still think you have a parasite if possible bowl fish and bring to pond/koi dealer to have it scope again to identify the parasites. Just my 2 cent.

An

[Isis]

Thanks to everyone who tried to help - it turned out to be just about the worst thing it could be.

KHV/CNGV. My fish are all dying, one by one and although everyone says it repeatedly - I am going to again - QUARANTINE!!!!!!

And know exactly what fish you are buying, where they are from and if they have been tested.

This is possibly the worst experience someone who keeps and loves their koi can have to go through.

[mstrseed]

That vacuums big time........................

[KoiCop]

Isis . . .

Sorry to hear that.

I'm curious, though: How was the KHV diagnosis made and by whom?
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Don

[Isis]

By my vet - took him a matsuba who died and he sent off to a company in Durban where they do the testing, called MDS.

Apparently I am not the first in my area and there is a chance the dealer is aware of the problem but continues to sell the fish.

[pbng]

Quote: Originally Posted by Isis By my vet - took him a matsuba who died and he sent off to a company in Durban where they do the testing, called MDS. Apparently I am not the first in my area and there is a chance the dealer is aware of the problem but continues to sell the fish.

sorry to hear this.

Not sure whether you should share the source of that new fish, as in from which dealer, and imported from where/who....

Not trying to stir up things, but it can be fatal if this disease spread again.

[Isis]

I have contacted our local Koi society and we are doing what we can to try to contain the virus - it's difficult when people refuse to accept responsibility - and although I didn't know it before I bought the fish, this dealer has had problems with KHV in the past.

I know exactly where the virus came from, the only fish I have put in my pond in the last six years have been from this dealer - one in August, which is obviously now dead and one about a month ago, also dead - I suspect this last one was the culprit - a kohaku imported from Taiwan.

[MikeM]

The problem in this situation is not knowing whether the KHV came from Taiwan, or was in the dealer's tanks from before. Unfortunately, if a dealer does not use the proper protocols to quarantine/test for KHV, the hobbyist is left to assume that both the dealer and the breeder (and any others in the chain) are all responsible. I would not knowingly ever acquire a fish from the dealer you described, nor from his sources even if imported by another dealer who does use a proper procedure. This is very harsh, but there really is no choice IMO.

Eventually, breeders and exporters who care about their long-term reputations are going to be forced to supply only dealers whose practices protect customers. ...A 'Famous Breeder' [fill in the name of your favorite] may send a shipment that was perfectly protected, but then mixed with KHV-positive fish from an unknown fellow scrapping to make a dollar in some backwater. Without the whole truth made public, the rumour mill will tarnish the Famous Breeder's reputation. The dealer has responsibility, but the harm will be felt unnecessarily by the Famous Breeder and the hobbyists who deny themselves the Famous Breeder's fish out of fear.

I am supportive of those who go public and take the necessary steps to sanitize their facilities. To learn someone did not go public is all it would take for me to affirmatively discourage any dealings with them.

[KoiCop]

Quote: Originally Posted by MikeM I am supportive of those who go public and take the necessary steps to sanitize their facilities. To learn someone did not go public is all it would take for me to affirmatively discourage any dealings with them.

Well said, Mike!

Just think of the financial hit Yume Koi took disclosing, cleaning up after, and tracking down the source when they got hit with KHV -- but their reputation stayed in tact and they bounced right back.
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Don

Member, ZNA & AKCA clubs
CKHPA