Compare Hoshikin Kohaku to Yamamatsu(Matsunosuke) Kohaku?

[Super Kindai]

Maybe you mixed up a little bit....
Sakai (Hiroshima) won the Jumbo race in past 10+ years, instead of Yamamatu (Matunosuke).
I consider Hoshikin is one of the best Kohaku breeder.

Sakai (H) kohaku are based on Sensuke bloodline and Hoshikin kohaku are based on Tomoin bloodline. (although Sensuke came from Tomoin kohaku originally.....)

In the recent Jumbo age, 28" (70cm) is considered a small fish. 32" ( 80cm) is still the high wall to cross for many gosanke. 34"(85cm) is required to nominate a candidate of GC in order to compete 90cm or 100cm of Kohaku / Sanke at major koi shows in Japan.

I like your Kohaku.

[Koimann]

Here are some of Hoshikin's nissai for this season...

[dcny]

some more

[Lam Nguyen]

Quote: Originally Posted by Russell Peters Buy the Koi not the breeder.

I happened to come across this thread while searching for something else and thought that I would bump it up for further discussion. I have heard this statement "buy the koi not the breeder" a lot and I agree with it to a certain extent. However, I feel that it would be a big mistake to depend on this statement alone when purchasing potential tateshita or tategoi. My experience, albeit very little, has been that when I buy koi from less well known breeders with very little history on the bloodlines that they use, the koi usually don't pan out as I had hoped. As a result, now I usually start with the breeders before I look at the koi.

Not to deviate from the topic of this thread, but I think that the top 4 kohaku breeders are (in no particular order): Sakai Fish Farm, Hoshikin, Toshio Sakai's Matsunosuke, & Dainichi. When it comes to kohaku size, the first breeder that comes to mind is SFF. I don't know how they do it but when you can get a nisai to be 22-24" then you have gotta be doing something right! When it comes to skin quality and pattern, Hoshikin's gotta top this list (Tomoin bloodline influence?). When I hear Toshio Sakai's kohaku, the two things that come to mind are beni quality and scalloped kiwa. Dainichi, well, anybody's gotta love Dainichi's koi. Anyways, these are just my opinion and I hope that others will shed more light on this topic so that we can all continue to learn.

[farne230]

All the breeders mentioned have their quality lines. If you purchase with knowledge and through a reputable dealer you will get what you pay for. There are always a few rare examples. By the way dcny, I loved those patterns and beni on that group of kohaku form Genki Koi.
Bob

[gspotmc]

Quote: Originally Posted by farne230 All the breeders mentioned have their quality lines. If you purchase with knowledge and through a reputable dealer you will get what you pay for. There are always a few rare examples. By the way dcny, I loved those patterns and beni on that group of kohaku form Genki Koi. Bob

Bob,
I have had the pleasure of owning a Hoshikin, Yamamatsu, Sakai (INC) and Sakai Hiroshima. I would say overall Sakai Hiroshima is the best. Comparing Hoshikin to Yamamatsu. Hoshikin is far better. For Sakai (INC) I owned one tosai the beni is very uniformed and the growth rate is also superb.
Michael

[aquitori]

I have no preference in Kohaku breeder, as long as the price is right and the quality is good.

[gspotmc]

I am crazy about kohaku. just acquired a Dainichi kohaku (jumbo tosai). I wanna see how she turns out next year.

[Super Kindai]

Quote: Originally Posted by gspotmc I am crazy about kohaku. just acquired a Dainichi kohaku (jumbo tosai). I wanna see how she turns out next year.

Then, maybe you like this Ake-nisai. (of course, it's not mine....)

[gspotmc]

Quote: Originally Posted by Super Kindai Then, maybe you like this Ake-nisai. (of course, it's not mine....)

She would be around the $15K tag.