positively...a koi pond

[Russell Peters]

Quote: Originally Posted by KoiCop Russ . . . From what I've read, codes vary a great deal from town to town, county to county and state to state. In many locales, no permit is required since it's not designed for use by humans.

That is correct, but if a permit is required it seems they all follow California pool code requirements.

[KDSD]

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[KoiCop]

Mark . . .

Very interesting -- thanks for sharing.

I'm hoping you can address the permit issue from a SoCal perspective?

[KoiCop]

Steve . . .

Love your modular design and have several questions:

1. Can your design be plumbed for two pumps/two filters (down the road) but start out with gravity fed bottom drain and skimmer to settlement, with one pump to mechanical then bio?

2. Wouldn't four feet with liner be a 'better' depth, save some initial cost but still allow for downstream expansion?

3. Would you please spell out you ideas for aeration on your 12' d 5K gallon design?

[JasPR]

Don, I don't know pond digger from a sack of rocks so I have no desire to blast him. If I knew which of two or three categories he falls into as a pond builder I would have a stronger opinion maybe? I do know there are thousands of pond installers from the landscaping industry that truly do not know any better. They have been taught by another landscaper or a franchise conman and they are pretty isolated from the koi community and never learn there is an actual prototype koi pond already out there functioning for hundreds of koi keepers across America. I recall in a member email Doc Johnson describing their remarkable lack of understanding and sophistication when it came to actual koi ponds. He was going to dedicate himself to bring up the mean average of knowledge of those folks.
I think there is also that group who build state of the art garden ponds for decades and are not about to change. often these water features are quiet beautiful and 100% about asthetics and zero percent about function for adult koi. They have never been challenged and they know what works for them or what jobs not to take and they go along in a rather ignorant bubble. The koi will just have to adapt themselves to these water features or parish, it is the fish's problem not the installers.
The guys I DO give a hard time to are the arrogant marketer types that know there is a better way but the involvement is intense and the margins aren't there so they take the public stand of detractor- detractor towards the organized koi hobby, the current extreme of koi ponds ( a kind of dis-information campaign), the advances in filter design - all of it, it is the enemy of the status quo and so proper koi keeping in general is attacked as over the top or un-necessary. Or with a subtle sturring of the 'class envy' card.

So if Digger would answer my question I will be better able to understand where he is coming from. JR

[dcny]

I'm a believer in the modular system design rational. If you start with a 10x10x6 as your building block, it fits the 5000 gallon profile very well. From there, you just keep adding blocks. Each BD can be it's own circuit since 3500gph pumps are pretty easy to come by. The skimmers have their own circuit. This type of system will guarantee a turnover of at least once every 1.5 hours. 10' also happens to be about the effective pulling diameter of an aerated bottom drain. Having a separate skimmer circuit also guarantees redundancy, in the event of a pump failure.

Here's a simple diagram. Green lines represent the TPRs and the green arrows represent the TPR currents. The blue circle represents the aerated BDs and the blue arrows represent the the BD currents (which are much stronger). The skimmers are places so that the rotational currents caused by the TPRs and the aerated BDs bring the debris to them.

-Dan

[KoiCop]

JR . . .

Funny you should mention Doc J, since Eric's one of the rock slingers listed as having built Doc's state-of-the-art pond.

Regardless of what Eric says, on his website you can read what he believes and see what he does: exoticwaterscapes.com

As for being a detractor, that doesn't appear to be case with Eric; it would appear he's got a product for everyone.

"What ever you want from custom koi ponds to disappearing pondless waterfalls, backyard waterfalls, hybrid ponds, rock column fountains, waterscapes, living creeks, or breathtaking water gardens, to serene Japanese Gardens with tranquility ponds and Zen Gardens, we can turn your pond design dreams into reality."

Whether he can deliver or not? That's another question.

Maybe Eric can start another thread and wow us with pix and specs of some of the 'custom koi ponds' he's built?

[luke frisbee]

Quote: Originally Posted by KoiCop Eric . . . I don't know whether you're just a naturally inclined disagreeable person or whether you're a believer that the best defense is a good offense? I guess it doesn't much matter. But to come into our house, hands bloody from all the fish you've killed and dollar bills from all the newbie hobbyists you've shorn like sheep dripping from your pockets, insult us and then expect us to engage in friendy dialogue so that you can develop another 'product' to add to your line -- which you can then shodify to maximize your getaway take? That's insolence. Good grief, the reason we hobbyists are trying to pull this minimalist acceptable koi pond concept together is to protect newbies from crap peddling piranhas like you! No one who has ever had to take the R&G out of their ADI style pond 'cause their fish were dying will ever forget the smell, ever forgive the slimy salesman who conned them into it, or ever confuse a pond digger with a pond builder. If there's a Ponding Hell, Eric, then it has an inner circle for people who've done what you've done -- and I'm sure there will be a spot there reserved for you.

My oh my...someone needs to take a vacation...you naughty boy!

Listen,
stick to the freakin topic. All of you....No "it's a system Preaching"... No it can't be made by anyone but a koi snob...and definitely No to the safety issue... no Zoning...this thread is about
the bare minimum to keep koi healthy...
So Ladies (and Gentlemen) what would that be?

[KDSD]

Quote: Originally Posted by KoiCop Mark . . . Very interesting -- thanks for sharing. I'm hoping you can address the permit issue from a SoCal perspective?

!@#$%^&*( this must have timed out and lost my whole post@#$%^&


Will start another post as not to stray from the intended thread purpose Teach me to do this in word first

[KoiCop]

Quote: Originally Posted by luke frisbee stick to the freakin topic. All of you...

Too funny, Luke, advice like that coming from you of all people.

I seem to remember a couple of times you went ballistic and took threads into uncharted waters when it was your freaky button that got pushed. Need I remind you? Well, turnabout is fair play.

So just sit back and enjoy the banter -- all the info you and Mickey want will still be here long after we're done getting acquainted with Eric.