Showa Tosai

[koiczar]

I have to be honest here - there isn't one I find any potential in-that includes the extra three that were posted later.

As far as this kohaku pattern stuff goes, I wouldn't place THAT MUCH stock in it. If you look at some of the past winners of Kokugyo and above prizes, they don't ALL have GREAT kohaku patterns. The finished product should have a "balanced" pattern of all three colors not two! That's what makes it so difficult for people to be able to pick a young showa and have the "vision" to see the finished product in a tosai or nisai. That in itself, is what I think draws alot of hobbyists, including myself, to showa - the challenge!! I currently have 6 ake nisai in my q-tank from various breeders including Dainichi, Isa, Yamamatsu and Sekiguchi. I want to see how they develop in my care and water parameters. I should be fun watching them and the shiros develop.

Mike

[Russell Peters]

Quote: Originally Posted by Louie Take away the sumi and what kind of kohaku patterns do we have ?

Kohaku pattern does not a Showa make. Take a look at the Dianichi Showa that was GC at the AJKS. Not much of a Kohaku pattern. You need to look for quality and a balance of all three colors.

[Louie]

Mike,
Of course the top Kokugyo will not all have GREAT kohaku patterns but they do have some type of kohaku pattern. Since we have new hobbyist always comeing to this site to learn I thought my point is important. Of course we are dealing with 3 colors and always look for balance . In order for one to pick any koi one must learn the guide lines to get the most for your money. Would you agree that showa starts with sumi and ends with sumi ? This is not always the case in top shows in Japan there are exceptions but you will find more than not follow that guide line. What were the main factors that turned you away from the showa`s
iposted ?
Louie

[Louie]

All the showa`s except for A have way to much Hi and do not leave room for tsubo sumi nor do they have motoguro or odome. koi A has room for tsubo sumi but will not get any balance without haveing too much kasane sumi to help balance. How would one discribe a good pattern ?[not great]
Louie

[koilvr]

Quote: Originally Posted by weesec01 Hi folks, here are a few Dainichi Showa. Please range your best 3 and why? Thank you.

A & C is actually on my pick list and I hope someone will choose them. These two are among those which has acceptable hi quality IMHO.

My concern about A is the sign of secondary hi in tail area, shoulder not wide enough when compared to others, and it looks male. But it should turn out to be a nice kindai showa.

C should develop into a fish with unique later IMHO, it's just the head shape look a but pointy when compared to others.

I end up selecting these two. The first one, pic is blur so I will gamble my luck on the strength of the hi. The second one, can not see the pecs clearly but there's a chance that it's going to be a male. The third one I really like a lot, but can not afford another one Hope someone will pick this one so we can see how it develop in six months time.







btw, these fishes are from a grow-out event in Malaysia, Dainichi jumbo tosai (around 28cm at 7 months). too many menkaburi fish in the selection

[Russell Peters]

Quote: Originally Posted by koilvr A & C is actually on my pick list and I hope someone will choose them. These two are among those which has acceptable hi quality IMHO. My concern about A is the sign of secondary hi in tail area, shoulder not wide enough when compared to others, and it looks male. But it should turn out to be a nice kindai showa. C should develop into a fish with unique later IMHO, it's just the head shape look a but pointy when compared to others. I end up selecting these two. The first one, pic is blur so I will gamble my luck on the strength of the hi. The second one, can not see the pecs clearly but there's a chance that it's going to be a male. The third one I really like a lot, but can not afford another one Hope someone will pick this one so we can see how it develop in six months time. btw, these fishes are from a grow-out event in Malaysia, Dainichi jumbo tosai (around 28cm at 7 months). too many menkaburi fish in the selection

Good choices, they are two of the three I would have picked. Stated in post#2.

[Super Kindai]

I am enjoying for my 4/$100 showa.......

[dick benbow]

the white on this showa is really nice!

[koiczar]

Junichi

Very nice job bringing out the best of what this fish has/had to offer. I thought, at first, looking at the second photo, that the beni on the second half was all but gone. Then, I see in the third photo how it "recovered" and now create small but solid markings.

Louie

If you notice, this fish really has no kohaku patterning to speak of - most all of us would pass on this fish for what we would think of as "obvious" reasons. Yet Junichi has demonstrated how important it is to look "into the future" to see what can be. I wish I had your skills of growing fish out. Amazing job!

Mike

[koiczar]

Quote: Originally Posted by Louie Mike, Of course the top Kokugyo will not all have GREAT kohaku patterns but they do have some type of kohaku pattern. Since we have new hobbyist always comeing to this site to learn I thought my point is important. Of course we are dealing with 3 colors and always look for balance . In order for one to pick any koi one must learn the guide lines to get the most for your money. Would you agree that showa starts with sumi and ends with sumi ? This is not always the case in top shows in Japan there are exceptions but you will find more than not follow that guide line. What were the main factors that turned you away from the showa`s iposted ? Louie

Hi Louie

Too much is written about the "kohaku patterns" on showa. For the modern or "kindai" showa, beni patterning should be placed well enough,IMO, to allow the sumi patterns to complement rather than overpower the kohaku patterning, In older style showa, where the fish is patterned to show off it's black base and more powerful coloration, ichimatsu patterning is more preferred but still must maintain a balanced level of all three colors to be attractive. Keep in mind, I'm not saying that all three colors MUST BE EQUAL, just balanced! When trying to select young showa, of course, sumi on shiroji is always the preferred method of identifying quality. . Kasani sumi is almost impossible to avoid but we still try to identify the "quality" of the sumi based on what we see over shiroji.

The fish posted on this thread, again, IMHO, just don't "cut it". There are major faults to all of them. Without going into details on EACH individual, look at the odome area,all but one have beni up to or into the tail and no shiroji, some have almost buzo heads (lacking any beni or color) some have rather weak beni, kiwa is not good, etc, etc. Some people may find them acceptable quality, but coming from Dainichi, they are nothing more than culls. Think about this question - If these fish were culled this early in the year, and IF they were high quality stocks, WHY DID DAINICHI DECIDE TO CULL THEM ALREADY? Early culling is a sign of poorer quality than the breeder wants to keep and he knows when to cut his losses and make a buck when the opportunity presents itself. Just MHO.

Mike