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Old 02-08-2008   #11 (permalink)
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"I've noticed this too. I'd say for the past year or so, shiro utsuri's definitely seem to be the "must-have" variety among most of the fellow koi kichis I converse with on a regular basis.."
I think the board has developed a bit of tunnel vision due to the grow out contest. Koi are not a fashion statement they do not go in and out of style over the course of a year. To further this thought the US is still a minor player in the demand for koi when you consider the demand and buying power in Asia. So what we may want from year to year won't dictate what the best (out of country) breeders produce.
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Old 02-09-2008   #12 (permalink)
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We looked long and hard to find the few shiros that we do have because of a few very good quality shiros that we had the honor of seeing down in Orlando some time ago and another shiro that I fell in love with a few years before that. That variety has improved so much recently that it is hard not to like them. But I must say, my close second favorite variety is the Sanke. Very close following that is the showa. I seem to gravitate to the powerful look of the shiro and showa, while still appreciating very much the elegance of the Sanke.

The whites, body and size of the shiros has improved from what I see available over the last 2-3 years.
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Old 02-10-2008   #13 (permalink)
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Showa's rule.
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Old 02-10-2008   #14 (permalink)
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AuntieSue, so you are saying there will probably be 1 or 2 dealers in orlando sell really nice Shiro's? At what prices? Thanks
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Can't say what the dealers coming to CFKS will bring with them. It differs each year. It depends on their stock, and their guess of what will be popular and the price ranges that will work. I know Russell is bringing some Toshio Sakai gosanke. Saw a picture that included a nice Showa that caught my eye. The Peters & Son booth is in the atrium area not far from the space Eastern Nishikigoi has every year. Genki and Ray Abell usually have some nisai or older show-worthy fish. Last year Abell had nice tosai Shiros. Purdin Koi have very nice Kohaku, and other gosanke. Eastern Nishikigoi usually brings very nice size one and two tosai, but this year reserved an extra tank because bringing 'some really nice' koi. Don't know what surprises they might have in mind. They get a long line at their booth... have to take a number and wait to be called. Nisei Koi Farm has raised the quality of the offerings each year, and brings a variety of gosanke and other varieties. They had killer Shiro tosai last year (?or was it the year before?)that went quickly. Their Sanke stand out. Usually there are only a relative handful of koi selling in the over $1,000 range, but last year there was something in the air. There were quite a number of koi sold in the $2,000+ range. That was unusual, so I would not expect a repeat in that price range. CFKS is a good show for dealers in all price ranges because it draws attendance from across the country and the ZNA presidents meeting on Friday brings even more. Somebody doing all that travel may be excited over finding a 'perfect' tosai chagoi for $20, but is also more open to considering koi in the higher price ranges. That encourages dealers to bring some better koi. Florida does not have any top-end dealers. It's a half-day drive just to get to Orlando from Miami. From the Florida-Georgia border it takes most of a day to get to a top dealer. So, when the dealers come to Orlando, in the middle of the state, they get a big welcome.
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I think the board has developed a bit of tunnel vision due to the grow out contest.
If we could just stimulate a Showa Grow Out Contest then our vision wouldn't be so tunneled!

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So, when the dealers come to Orlando, in the middle of the state, they get a big welcome.[/quote]
Not only that but last year it was worth while to come down from Canada just to talk to Matt and the other breeders and dealers . Then there is the best show in US
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If we could just stimulate a Showa Grow Out Contest then our vision wouldn't be so tunneled!

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Interesting idea.
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Interesting idea.
Nice clue there Russell, now can you give us a clue as to who the breeder is.
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Nice clue there Russell, now can you give us a clue as to who the breeder is.
If you don't have any idea, you just haven't been paying attention. LOL
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