Buying fish for show, then returning it to the dealer if it doesnt win.....

[koiczar]

Quote: Originally Posted by KoiCop We just might -- since one fish that won a major award (but not the GC) in the recent SD show is back up for sale on the dealer's website?

Don

I thought the process was "if" the fish won an award, it was purchased by the hobbyist!? This really sheds a differently light on things.

Mike

[KoiCop]

The deal supposedly was "no GC -- no sale."

The hobbyist didn't win GC last week in SC -- he won a Best in Class -- and now the koi's back for sale on the dealer's website.

Draw your own conclusion.

[Jimbo]

Where might we find this koi? what web site ?

[JosephandGabby]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jimbo Where might we find this koi? what web site ?

Ditto. I'd like to know as well...

[mstrseed]

I think it would be a simple process of elimination...........best in size pictures were posted..........

[jnorth]

Don't even think about posting photos or links.......Please use the pm feature. Thanks.

[KoiCop]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jimbo Where might we find this koi? what web site ?

Jim . . .

Since I know that you yourself showed in SD, and that you will also be showing in Gardena, I think you have a vested interest in knowing our suspicions. Therefore, I sent you a PM with some URLs to follow. Draw your own conclusions.

IMHO, it would be a mistake to publicly identify the parties involved since all I have at this point is suspicions -- and no proof as to what arrangements might have been made between the parties.

[luke frisbee]

OK the way this started was FINE with me..
"Buy" a fish and take it to a show..if it doesn't win the dealer takes it back and gives the "Hobbyist" the money back.
But if the koi went back because ti did not win GC the dealer might be one shrewd man...he More than likely figured if it didn't get GC it would get an award that would double the value of the koi.

And the reason for this is that 99% of the hobbyists do not have confidence in what is a good koi is. A dealer can tell a hobbyist all day long how special a koi is, but the real proof is NOT if the Hobbyist likes it, but that the judges award it something....
If I was a dealer i would do this every chance I got....it'll be interesting how this is dealt with IF it is true....
The Hobbyist(s) was played for the fool... of the two who do you think has the tighter sphincter tonight?

But please look at the issue.
the Hobbyist "Bought" the koi to win the show...MANY Dealers sell fish stating that the koi being bought will win. ONLY ONE DOES...i actually see the dealer that sells a koi with the guarantee that if it does not win he will take it back as more ethical than other dealers/breeders.

[luke frisbee]

could someone post a pic of the koi..both from the show and from the site today...No names. i just wanna see if it is the same koi.

[luke frisbee]

it is very interesting that this seems to be an ethical issue when koi never have to be in the possession of the hobbyist before they are entered in a show as "their" koi.
talk about splitting hairs.