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Old 03-14-2008   #11 (permalink)
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I would also assume the more refined varieties would have lesser life expectancies, Dick. Just don't know if it is a well-founded assumption. So far, we don't have posts of 20+ year-old gosanke (unless one includes Brett's doitsu ), and I cannot recall any from other threads. JR's points are instructive. There are relatively few hobbyists whose ponds would promote full life spans. And, as Tony points out, many of those few will move on a koi that begins to decline... very frequently to one of the lesser ponds. Brett's doitsu Sanke brings to mind that breeders may be more likely to have an old gosanke around, retired from breeding days. Spawning can be hard on the females, but no koi will be as carefully attended year-round as the breeder's oyagoi. But, not many 20+ year koi breeders outside Japan. ...Hmmmmm.
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Wasn't there a pic in KOI USA many years ago with a koi 212 years old? They had counted the rings and the owner related how his family had passed the fish down eachgeneration. Was that a myth? I believe it was a Karasu or some other blackish fish.
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Wasn't there a pic in KOI USA many years ago with a koi 212 years old? They had counted the rings and the owner related how his family had passed the fish down each generation. Was that a myth? I believe it was a Karasu or some other blackish fish.
Yup: 1997, Volume 21 Issue 6, "Hanako - Oldest Known Koi," by M. Amano.

Upon closer examination, the family's story had some serious holes in it; furthermore, scale ring counting as a scientific technique has been discredited.
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Yes, a more current investigation placed Hanako more in the age range of 23 or 28 as I recall? If your interested I will look it up, it appeared in a Japanese version of Rinko some years ago as I recall. I think I have the article indexed? JR
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Last year, there was a report about a kohaku at least 38 years old, Morita sensuke' main bloodline, owned by Ooyama Yorijyo/Hiroshima.

He was planning to breed the kohkau in order to remian/keep the bloodline for next generation' breeders.
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Show 3 of mine

i have seen a 18year old one. and it live in an empty tank, no food no light, only clear water.

it was 20CM long.
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Yup: 1997, Volume 21 Issue 6, "Hanako - Oldest Known Koi," by M. Amano.

Upon closer examination, the family's story had some serious holes in it; furthermore, scale ring counting as a scientific technique has been discredited.
Using scale rings to age fish is a valid method. But in that case it was taken completely out of context.

First, you don't count the number of rings on the scale, that has no bearing on the age of the fish. You carefully analyze the scale under a microscope and look for signs of years passing. Its not the number of rings, but it does involve using the rings.

Second, you do this on many fish from a group sample to determine individual cohorts (year classes). Scale data is combined with indexes like length x frequency distribution, relative weight, relative abundance, etc. to set ages of individuals and groups. Wihtout the corraberative data and many data points from many fish, the method has little value. This case of one koi in one pool is such a case.

I was trying to think about my older koi. I've got only a few left from the original group brought from Japan in '92. So some of the koi are at least close to 20 years old.

For the purpose of operating a business, I asked Japanese breeders about breeding stock. Breeding koi are depreciated over five years for tax purposes. On average, the loss rate of breeding stock is about 20% annually. This means that the average brood koi has an effective life span as a breeding animal of five years (nine or ten years old).

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the female parent of the last year' AJS GC Dainichi Showa is 18 years old this year, according to Dainichi brothers, they are still using her as a female parent...
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Ooops, am I bad. I have been telling people for years about that 200 year old fish. I also have said, on average, 10-20 years. So, what is the oldest recorded/documented fish?
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