OK, here are a few thoughts on this thread concerning a few comments made.
Lam:
First of all Lam, Luke is not a newbie to the hobby. His knowledge level may be low, but that is simply due to his ongoing antagonistic stylings and failure to acknowledge data when put in front of him. Without a check and balance in place and those with more knowledge willing to dispute his postings, people that are new can be left with false perceptions. As for intimidate and degrade? Perhaps you should read back through Luke's postings. Keep in mind that this is an individual who has shown a total lack of integrity over the years most recently in that he changes people's quotes in posts which leaves a falves perception to what the original poster had said and meant. That was not an isolated incident either and is just opne of many ongoing adverse behaviors that he has exibited.
Eugene:
See my response to Lam above. In addition, there are literally hundreds of people that read this board daily. Why? Because they come here to get CREDIBLE information. As I said previously, Luke is not a newbie as it relates to time within the hobby. Yet he is unexperienced and with a low knowledge base as it relates to this hobby. You may want to ask yourself why someday.
Luke:
Typical Luke, one of the reasons that you fall behind on the learning curve is because you do not listen...or perhaps cannot read (from my signature line):
Once again your lack of integrity and moral charachter shines through. While I cite specifics you have to stoop to the same tactics as others of the same moral charachter have done in the past. What's next, a threat of calling an employer? Threat of a lawsuit? I am believing that you are simply a twin brother of your "friend" up north of you....except he has more hair. By the way, do you need stamps for a letter? Please sign it at least before mailing it.
Remember Luke, there are no fish under the ice...regardless of what your Penguin movie said. Oh, and once again, a koi will not eat another koi (intentionally) once they recognize them as such. Why is that concept so hard for you to understand, especially when so many more knowledgeable people on the suject have tried to help you learn? BTW, you said you were smarter that Brett on the subject. To borrow a phrase made by another Texan, I know Brett and Sir, you ain't no Brett.
Koiczar:
Nope Mike, there was more. and as you pointed out my missing of detail earlier, perhaps here's a detail you missed that triggered this:
From Luke:
From page 6, post #55 by Luke:
Luke is infering that his casual observations make him correct and as a discredit to Brett and his formal education and years of knowledge on the subject. Now he has a full thread on this subject on two boards. Luke is the poster boy of how the internet can have a wealth of innaccurate information that adversly influence others who are attempting to learn but instead become misguided if left unchecked.
Now, as I give talks around this country and others concerning a wide variety of subjects within the hobby, its situations like this one where I undoubtably will be answering questions for the next five years or so about how Koi eat koi because someone read it on the internet...Geeeez. But Luke gets his kicks out of strring the pot and probably has no idea how his methodologies adversly affect others.
And to all, as for the use of the term "elite" and "elitist," you are so sadley mistaken. I have yet to meet an advanced hobbyist that considers them selves as part of a special group of people within the hobby. These people open there arms t those who are willing to interact (at least in a socially acceptable manner). this is the group of people who willingly devote their time and money to the advancement of the hobby. The work koi shows they travel long distances to help other groups and volunteer in so many ways.
One must ask themselves why there are some within the hobby who continually choose to critisize the established hobby and the volunteers who devote countless hours to the hobby through koi shows, seminars and other duties yet CHOOSE not to themselves?
In this case, Luke openly critisized Brettand held himself to higher degree of knowledge on a subject that Brett qualifies as a EXPERT on. Then there was the recent issue concerning koi under the ice in Niigata. A prominent hobbyist (Mark Gardner) who was physically in Niigata attempted to explain to Luke that there were no fish under te ice. But Luke "knew" there were anyway. geez...something about a penguin movie (I still haven't figured ot that relevance). There are years of this types of behavior from Luke dating back to the time when he was banned from the NI board about 5 years ago (he is only 1 of 2 ever to be banned from that board in well oer 8 years) for going off on Peter Waddington and Nigel Caddock who are two of the most knowledgeable koi peple in the western world (but even back then he considered himself more knowleable).
So while some are taking issue with people they call "elite", perhaps they should rethink such since its this same group who take such action in protection of the uniformed or new hobbyists.
Enough of a rant. I have to make up some slides for my future talks over the next five years to counteract Luke's
ice" and koi eating koi posts that it would seem some would prefer to let stand for the uninformed to buy into.
Steve
03-27-2008
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