Where are the PM's?

[Brady Brandwood]

I agree with your concern totally. It's a little like burying nuclear waste in the desert, and not marking it on a map for later generations to see. Well,... you know what I mean.

i think the longfin gene is pretty recent, but the fact that the Showa in the photos was awarded Young Champion in a Japanese show disturbs me. "Purity" clearly is not a concern. it seems "anything goes" in the ingredients,... what's important is that the vision was realized,... even if it's short-sighted. What I'm laughing about is for years the staunch western hard-core Koi nuts have placed Japanese breeders as above reproach, and as the pinnacle of perfectionism,... but the reality is very different,... OR the attitude is just misunderstood - Sankes and Kohakus are being crossed by the very best breeders, and the KOHAKU offspring are being used as breeding stock from that cross and moving forward (you know the implications of that),... it was said that the Japanese would never allow KHV into their "world", well that happened, and happened quickly,... longfin genetics are being allowed to contaminate the gene pools, AND the offspring are winning shows.

Yes, it's troubling to me,... but maybe it's just a difference in cultures and perceptions?.

Best Wishes,
Brady

[aquitori]

I am not surprise by the fact one of the "World's best Breeder" has gone the route of breeding what is in demand...I think the water gardeners has one up on us folks....

[PapaBear]

The WG'ers do make up a large segment of the pocketbook arena, but I still can't get past the fins on that Showa. They are so obviously LF hybridized and fugly it almost hurts to look... We've got a few hybrids from last years mini spawn, but at least the fins don't look "chopped" like that thing.

[Russell Peters]

Don't get bent out of shape guys, he is breeding longfin Yamabuki. He likes to tinker and I have known about these for years. I had never asked nor was I ever offered some so this is a first for us.

[Russell Peters]

BTW, I did not bring this over to this parish. It was brought over by someone else lurking on the dark parish. So the integrity of this board could be kept intact if you let it go.

[JasPR]

maybe it's perception? Or maybe the current keepers of the realm as just business men in a shrinking industry? I'm not so naive as to say that sharpies and corner cutters have not always been around. You just need to go to the record and see what hogpog was foisted onto the public. 'Varieties and crosses that had their twenty minutes of fame. The 'modern' era a 'new' koi created for the Heisei era was a hint at the tank running out of gas. But I have always 'forgiven' these human frailties and chalked them up to less breeders struggling to stay in existance or kook breeders kinda marching their own drum ( often just a pot and wooden spoon!).
I'm getting to the core of this- there were always the innovators, the real deal in nishikigoi breeding. They understood the road map. Dainichi being an important one. Sure these guys had bread and butter production but there were no illusions there about such stock.
The story of Hirenaga crosses is a story about VIGOR at a time when the gene pool was younger and outcrosses were being frantically experimented on. It was a phase in breeding. Some how this delicious bit of breeding trivia done by a second tier breeder is suggested in the west as a point of a line legitimacy is not helpful to either greater understanding or greater perspective.
I know I don't need to remind you, the phenotype representing individual koi is partly breeding and partly culling. I would think the idea is to improve breeding in order to reduce culling.
submitted IMHO -JR

[JasPR]

Russ, how many years? JR

[Tamianth]

I knew 3 years back that a name breeder was breeding longfins. I was not told who though as the breeder didn't want folks to know right off. I don't think it was the same breeder either . The 3 fish I looked at then at the time where extremely nice ones, Sanke, Utsuri and I can't remember what the other one was......

MO, but it appears that more then one is breeding longfins from what I'm reading here.

[JasPR]

Could this be the end of the road for JR? who knows, tune into the next episode of ' How the Nishikigoi lost it's mystique'

[gspotmc]

JR,
It will never be the end of the road for you. You always share you knowledge and with factual evidence. I guess your in it for the long haul. Just keep on sharing your knowledge. It is highly apprciated.
Michael