Sakai vs Sakai....who wins the Gosanke trophy?

[moikoi]

Toshio Sakai of Isawa Nishikigoi Center vs his brother Toshiyuki Sakai of Yamamatsu koi Farm. what are their strong and weak points? if any.

[aquitori]

Is there a difference? When we talk about Matsunosuke I think you can only refer to the 2....Wait, I take that back. Toshio Sells Matsunosuke Longfins and his older brother doesn't.

[luke frisbee]

well their strong point is they both got a brother in the business.

[dinh]

Quote: Originally Posted by aquitori Is there a difference? When we talk about Matsunosuke I think you can only refer to the 2....Wait, I take that back. Toshio Sells Matsunosuke Longfins and his older brother doesn't.

Rumor has it that Toshio also sells Herd and his older brother doesn't. Not so sure whether it is correct or not.

[moikoi]

Quote: Originally Posted by aquitori Is there a difference? When we talk about Matsunosuke I think you can only refer to the 2....Wait, I take that back. Toshio Sells Matsunosuke Longfins and his older brother doesn't.

JR becoming a breeder or Toshio breeding longfins . the Vegas odds was 10,000 to 1 for these two event to happen.

[dick benbow]

Both are passionate breeders and as brothers, I wouldn't wish to have to distinquish between the two.

Toshio is the apple of my eye, because as a younger brother in the culture he had to start his business on his own and did not inherit his father's. ( i'm not demeaning the older brother as this was cultural ) but it does show the intense effort Toshio had to overcome to get started. His contribution to the industry alone to bring magoi into the koi again and now to produce marusome Sumi is pretty impressive.

take either one of the brothers out of the industry and it would be a lot poorer for it.


Just as there are "spinoffs in television" there are spinoffs from breeders. I can think of two excellent Japanese ones because of their relationship with Toshio. We have Nisei koi farm domestically speaking in the USA because of Joe and Mat's relationship with toshio

Many of my closest Kichii's depended on Toshio's matsunosuke bloodline fish for their enjoyment and competition at shows..

Just as all of us contribute to KB, if we took some out of the mix, the whole is poorer for it.
so as you can see I'm a Toshio Fan but wouldn't ever want to not recognize the contribution of his brother.....

I think any hobbyist who gets a chance to breed koi should opt for the experience. It makes you appreciate what it takes to be one. ( sorry no comments on longfins)

[koiczar]

Well, I do agree with Dick, both are very important and valuable to the breeder side of the business for what they do. However, Toshiyuki has never won GC and Toshio has done it 3 or 4 times(can't remember for sure which). So, I would say, as the inovator, Toshio gets the nod here. JMHO!

Mike

[Russell Peters]

Quote: Originally Posted by koiczar Well, I do agree with Dick, both are very important and valuable to the breeder side of the business for what they do. However, Toshiyuki has never won GC and Toshio has done it 3 or 4 times(can't remember for sure which). So, I would say, as the inovator, Toshio gets the nod here. JMHO! Mike

It's 4 times.

[dick benbow]

compare sakai in hiroshima to sakai in Isawa for top national koi and you have more of a foot race...

I quess i'm not much for comparisons as mostly it's apples or oranges....and i like the ENTIRE fruit salad over just one ingredient

I have one koi in my pond that is not direct from toshio or his bloodline....Dinh and Dan got it for me from Kevin

[koiczar]

Don't get me wrong, I think Toshiyuki has some very high quality fish. In fact, I have a Sanke and Showa from Toshiyuki and two Sanke and two showa from Toshio. I wouldn't part with any of them at this point. Still too early to tell as one is tosai, two nisai and one Yonsai. I'm also doing a grow out contest, with the help of Russ Peters, for one of my local clubs with Toshio's Sanke and Showa tosai. It should be fun and a great learning experience for club members to see how fish change/develop over a year's time. If I get a chance, I'll try to post some pics of the selection day, which is May 3rd.

Mike