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Old 05-25-2008   #21 (permalink)
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please explain..... how does Kevin get away with running a Medo 45 on one airstone in his big female tank?
Moi what do you think is the water temp of kevin's pond?
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Moi what do you think is the water temp of kevin's pond?
my guess .... about 65* when i was there 6 weeks ago.
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How much air does he have in his filtration system???
Also they are not growing them but only holding until sold, big difference in operations...............
yeah but.... i doubt that he would put his most expensive koi at low O2 risk.
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any difference if i added airstones inside the filter chamber or the bottom of the pond?

Yes. Both are good. Aeration in the biological portion(s) of the filter assure high oxygenation for efficient nitrification, and can be set up to prevent/minimize settlement of fines, thereby promoting a healthier biofilm. But this is not the same as maximizing oxygenation of the pond where the fish are.

Let's say you have a 5,000 gallon pond and your aerated filter is processing the entire pond volume each hour. If no other aeration technique/device is in use. Water coming from the filter is theoretically at near-saturation and is entering the pond at a rate of less than 100 gallons per minute. Only a small percentage of water at the surface of the pond is in direct contact with the atmosphere. If the water is still, a thin film of oils will be on the surface impeding air exchange. If the water from the filter is returned so as to agitate the surface, the waves created can double, triple or quadruple the surface area exposed to the atmosphere, while breaking up the oil film.

A single bottom drain airdome, however, can be moving the entire volume of the pond to the surface every few minutes. Rather than an oxygenating turnover of 5,000 gallons per hour, the airdome can expose the entire pond volume to the surface within minutes... depending on the volume of air being pumped, shape of the pond, etc. But, this pond water will suffer some degree of oxygen depletion as it travels through the filter system. Aeration in the bio-filter addresses that challenge.

For the hobbyist there are compromises to be made. The more aeration and agitation that occurs, the less visible the koi. In overstocked situations, visibility has to take a back seat altogether. I believe high oxygen levels are a major reason my koi have done well since building my current pond. With airdomes, aeration in the bio-chambers and a Bakki (an efficient waterfall), the several months they spend at water temperatures of 78F and higher are not as limiting as they once were.
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If you want to know what Kevin (or any other dealer) does....and why......please ask them. All too easy for one of us hobbyists to misunderstand and misrepresent what a dealer is doing. Ask the source.
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Money will be tight on this pond...I'll be getting one air pump as I build the pond--the other after the pond has been going for a while...If you have to choose just one for a short time---where should the air go---in the bd's or the bio filter....also what size...do I get both pumps that are rated for 5,000 gallon pond or two smaller ones?
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Oxygen, Oh two, what we breathe, what they breathe (our koi) can they get Too Much......

years ago in another parrish the tongue in cheek expression was "did we mention air ".
Since that time we have heard of special set ups with medical grade oxygen being administered to the koi ponds in japan. many a UK hobbyist kept the filters and koi pond itself jacuzzi like with air everywhere.

When toshio Sakai was back for his california seminar this year, he mentioned the importance of air for the health of the koi.

So let's talk about rule of thumb for liters of O2 per ton and then let's talk about going overboard, what good/harm can it do. Who wants to start?
The oft quoted figure I've seen, as a rule of thumb, is 20lpm per 1000 UK gallons.

I've NEVER known anyone add extra air and not see a difference in 'liveliness' of the Koi in their pond.

Air does a whole lot more than just increase o2 saturation, of that i'm 100% convinced, but can't quantify.

Virtually every greenhouse I visit has above water returns, why? To increase splish splash of course, it's free on the end of a pump return!!
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my guess .... about 65* when i was there 6 weeks ago.
Ok the water is cold, what does this tell you about the oxygenation level?
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Ok the water is cold, what does this tell you about the oxygenation level?
it looks like the same set-up when i was there last summer.
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you guys want a good laugh? for those whom missed...

this is my friend's "MYSTERY" pond

You Guys Wouldn't Believe This... - KoiShack
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