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gregbickal · 12-01-2007

UPS delivered my 40lb bag of the Ziegler 1.5mm food last night. Just the size I was looking for. Perfect.

It didn't float, but the koi seemed to like it. Now to see how it affects the water quality.

Eugeneg · 12-16-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by thekoistop

I have used eggs. It eorkd pretty good.

I would like to hear more on useing eggs . Such as water contamination , is it just a supplement , age of fry , no of fry etc . I might try breeding next year a little more seriously
Regards
Eugene

Russell Peters · 12-18-2007

Interesting..........

PapaBear · 01-13-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eugeneg

I would like to hear more on useing eggs . Such as water contamination , is it just a supplement , age of fry , no of fry etc . I might try breeding next year a little more seriously
Regards
Eugene

One of our Aussie members posted a thread a while back looking for info about using powdered egg whites, but I can't find the thread. Super high protein content of course, with little in the way of fats and carbs. I checked out the powdered yolks as well and even though they had a higher fat content, I concluded that combining the two would make for an excellent growth supplement. After that I started adding a few boiled eggs to my baby food paste, and they seemed to do well with it. I do suggest using a gelatin binder though, as the eggs did add to the clouding of the water considerably without it.

paladin_k2 · 01-14-2008

The best foods I have found in terms of growth, color, and health are sinking crumble type foods from HBH mills that are typically sold for the pet fish food market as "Cichlid Attack" and "Crab and Lobster Bites". The Protein percentage is about 46% and the feed conversion rate is fantastic.

In side by side comparisons I can get 50% more growth during the period from 3 weeks to about 3 months of age when compared to other fish hatched at the same time frame.

The foods can be purchased in bulk ( I still wish there was a less expensive option) by following the links from the HBH website - African Cichlid Attack!

To feed this type of food efficiently you must adopt a feeding table or feeding platform method. I use a large piece of flagstone that is propped on cinder blocks so that it rests about 6 to 10 inches below the surface. Feed onto the rock and the babies will graze it off. As soon as the the table rock is clean feed more as long as you have at least a few hours left before sundown.

You can technically feed the food and let it sink to the bottom but it is hard to observe feeding and determine when enough is enough.

I have fed the crumbled to adults as a spawning prep food and it is interesting to watch the fish literally vaccum it up off the bottom of the pond. I have to temporarily turn off the bottom drains for about 30 minutes in order to keep the food in the fish instead of straight into the filter.

Eugeneg · 01-14-2008

In side by side comparisons I can get 50% more growth during the period from 3 weeks to about 3 months of age when compared to other fish hatched at the same time frame.

What are you feeding till 3 weeks and do you have a regular mud bottom fry pond . Thanks in advance
Regards
Eugene

paladin_k2 · 01-15-2008

The only mud pond I have access to is a golf course pond and I have to keep the fish enclosed in aquaculture cages to prevent the predator/heron losses from approaching 100%. So I can't use the mud pond for fry.

For the first 10 days I feed thick super charged green water supplimented with cyclopeeze and brine shrimp. I grow the green water in a 500 gallon temporary doughboy that gets lots of sunlight plus fed teaspoons of 10% ammonia solution. It works great and gets green and slimy in just under 10 days from the initial setup on about April 20th. My wife threatens a trial seperation every time I set this contraption up.

Then I wean them off to ground HBH crumbles so I can get the size down to a finer powder. Screening the HBH crumbles in a fine strainer lets me start with the fines at about 3 weeks.

It is amazing to get such a large percentage of the fry up to 1" size and greater in just barely 4 weeks. Then they start to pack on growth as they become reliable grazers.

I switch over to small pellets at the 2 1/2 to 3 month mark just to get them reliably eating what everyone else will feed them as they go to new homes.

I do not have a lot of fry space so culling stages are very aggressive and I usually have the keepers culled down to 500 or less by the end of the 3rd month.

ogawa only · 02-20-2008

Hi guys my first post !!!

I used a product call zm 100 , the company is zm ltd in the uk , you could try them .

last year i raised a huge amount of fry to 3cm's on the zm100 , but my wife unpluged the pond system by mistake ,and by the morning there were all dead . anyway its a new year and the company has bought out a new fry food called zm oo , partical size <.95 micron
which is equivilent to paramecia and rotifers .
web www.zmsystems.co.uk have alook as it may have what your looking for .
i'l be useing it this year , and superglueing the plug in the socket

steve

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12-01-2007	#11 (permalink)
gregbickal Jumbo Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Toddville Iowa Posts: 539	UPS delivered my 40lb bag of the Ziegler 1.5mm food last night. Just the size I was looking for. Perfect. It didn't float, but the koi seemed to like it. Now to see how it affects the water quality.

12-18-2007	#13 (permalink)
Russell Peters Honmei Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Martinez,CA Posts: 4,490	Interesting..........

01-14-2008	#15 (permalink)
paladin_k2 Tosai Join Date: May 2007 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 38	The best foods I have found in terms of growth, color, and health are sinking crumble type foods from HBH mills that are typically sold for the pet fish food market as "Cichlid Attack" and "Crab and Lobster Bites". The Protein percentage is about 46% and the feed conversion rate is fantastic. In side by side comparisons I can get 50% more growth during the period from 3 weeks to about 3 months of age when compared to other fish hatched at the same time frame. The foods can be purchased in bulk ( I still wish there was a less expensive option) by following the links from the HBH website - African Cichlid Attack! To feed this type of food efficiently you must adopt a feeding table or feeding platform method. I use a large piece of flagstone that is propped on cinder blocks so that it rests about 6 to 10 inches below the surface. Feed onto the rock and the babies will graze it off. As soon as the the table rock is clean feed more as long as you have at least a few hours left before sundown. You can technically feed the food and let it sink to the bottom but it is hard to observe feeding and determine when enough is enough. I have fed the crumbled to adults as a spawning prep food and it is interesting to watch the fish literally vaccum it up off the bottom of the pond. I have to temporarily turn off the bottom drains for about 30 minutes in order to keep the food in the fish instead of straight into the filter.

01-14-2008	#16 (permalink)
Eugeneg Tategoi Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Near Toronto, Canada Posts: 395	In side by side comparisons I can get 50% more growth during the period from 3 weeks to about 3 months of age when compared to other fish hatched at the same time frame. What are you feeding till 3 weeks and do you have a regular mud bottom fry pond . Thanks in advance Regards Eugene

01-15-2008	#17 (permalink)
paladin_k2 Tosai Join Date: May 2007 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 38	The only mud pond I have access to is a golf course pond and I have to keep the fish enclosed in aquaculture cages to prevent the predator/heron losses from approaching 100%. So I can't use the mud pond for fry. For the first 10 days I feed thick super charged green water supplimented with cyclopeeze and brine shrimp. I grow the green water in a 500 gallon temporary doughboy that gets lots of sunlight plus fed teaspoons of 10% ammonia solution. It works great and gets green and slimy in just under 10 days from the initial setup on about April 20th. My wife threatens a trial seperation every time I set this contraption up. Then I wean them off to ground HBH crumbles so I can get the size down to a finer powder. Screening the HBH crumbles in a fine strainer lets me start with the fines at about 3 weeks. It is amazing to get such a large percentage of the fry up to 1" size and greater in just barely 4 weeks. Then they start to pack on growth as they become reliable grazers. I switch over to small pellets at the 2 1/2 to 3 month mark just to get them reliably eating what everyone else will feed them as they go to new homes. I do not have a lot of fry space so culling stages are very aggressive and I usually have the keepers culled down to 500 or less by the end of the 3rd month.

02-20-2008	#18 (permalink)
ogawa only Fry Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: uk Posts: 5	Hi guys my first post !!! I used a product call zm 100 , the company is zm ltd in the uk , you could try them . last year i raised a huge amount of fry to 3cm's on the zm100 , but my wife unpluged the pond system by mistake ,and by the morning there were all dead . anyway its a new year and the company has bought out a new fry food called zm oo , partical size <.95 micron which is equivilent to paramecia and rotifers . web www.zmsystems.co.uk have alook as it may have what your looking for . i'l be useing it this year , and superglueing the plug in the socket steve