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Thread: Bob and Shila Winkler's Grow Out Form

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    Oyagoi Bob Winkler's Avatar
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    Bob and Shila Winkler's Grow Out Form

    Koi 1 size when received: 7.5"
    Koi 2 Size when received: 6.25"

    Koi 1 size between 6/1/08 and 7/1/08: Nil
    Koi 2 size between 6/1/08 and 7/1/08: 8.0"

    Koi 1 size between 2/1/09 and 3/1/09: Nil
    Koi 2 size between 2/1/09 and 3/1/09: 14.0"

    Pond temp when received: 61F
    Pond temp at 6 month photo: 72F
    Pond temp at final photo: 65F

    Pond Info
    Gallons:13,000, although they will be in the 1200 gallon quarantine pond for a while 1st.
    Stocking rate: 17 koi (plus these two tosai)=19. 4 koi including the tosai in the quarantine pond time.
    Filtration: 2 Nexus 300’s, two 65 watt Emperor UV’s, 1 “double wide” Bakki Shower.
    Liner Type: Pond is gunite, rebar, and tile. Indoors and heated.
    Turnover rate: 1/hour
    Dimensions: 19’ long by 12.5’ wide by 8’ deep
    Water changes per week: Constant flow through of ~250 gallons/Day and dumping of one nexus vortex chamber/week
    Amount of water changed %: ~18%/week

    Food Info
    Brand and Type fed: Saki Hikari, Hikari Wheat Germ, Hi-Silk, Izeki Paste Food (JR's recipe), Pink Grape fruit, Watermelon, Silk Worm

    Owner Info
    Years in hobby: 19
    Buying show koi:11
    Zone: 5 (but not really applicable with indoor pond)
    State: Colorado

    Fun Stuff
    Koi 1 sex guess when received: Female
    Koi 2 sex guess when received: Male
    Koi 1 name: Dust
    Koi 2 name: Survivor
    Best regards,

    Bob Winkler

    My opinions are my best interpretation of my experiences. They are not set in stone as I intend to always be a student of life. And Koi.


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    Oyagoi Bob Winkler's Avatar
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    Pick # 69 Fish # 107 and Pick # 84 Fish # 136 at ~ 12/25/07

    2nd set of pictures after ~ 2 weeks in our q tank (liner, not concrete) on 2/16/08. I would have thought might see that kinda sumi change after time in a concrete pond.

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    Oyagoi Bob Winkler's Avatar
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    sounds like alot of people are seeing big changes already in their shiro's. Add us to that list. I already suspected our water would be good for sumi development by the shiro utsuri and showa's in the main pond for the last few months. Short term result with these two are that the sumi pattern is much heavier already on both koi. Pictures if I can get a clear one this weekend.....

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    Clearer is Better. It is wonderful to begin seeing the slow transformations on these babies isn't it? The tiny hints of shiro on our dark headed baby have begun to assert themselves exactly as I had hoped. I guess I'll have to post some "clearer" pix pretty soon myself

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    I look forward to updated pics too Bob.

    Mike

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    updated photos.... just barely able to see the change in ~ 2 weeks They really did look like the original photos when received. Both koi now have heavy motoguro, and koi 2 is almost all black wonder what 2 more weeks will bring, not to mention what a year will bring....

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    I moved the pictures to above post so they could be next to the original posted pix and and the changes viewed easier.

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    Congratulations Bob, got much closer to the Koi this time

    Some nice changes too..............................

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    Update... Fish # 107 expired with dropsy in March. Couldnt save it.. Here is fish # 136 this past weekend. Size 8.0" and moved into big pond at this picture time.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Bob and Shila Winkler's Grow Out Form-032108-final-pic-107.jpg   Bob and Shila Winkler's Grow Out Form-052608-136-shiro-2.jpg  

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    Sorry to hear about 107. It seems the mortality rate is no respecter of persons.

    136 is going to be a real study. It looks like it will keep you waiting and guessing for a very long time before the pattern finally says "here I am". Decent growth and the body conformation seems very uniform. No bottle necked tail tube on this one for sure.

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