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    KHV oh MY!

    What if in order to understand KHV a "surprise" team of vets and vet techs showed up at a major show unannounced and serology-tested all the fish entered for KHV and all the vendor's tanks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by luke frisbee View Post
    What if in order to understand KHV a "surprise" team of vets and vet techs showed up at a major show unannounced and serology-tested all the fish entered for KHV and all the vendor's tanks?
    "Surprise" team? Like AKCA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by luke frisbee View Post
    What if in order to understand KHV a "surprise" team of vets and vet techs showed up at a major show unannounced and serology-tested all the fish entered for KHV and all the vendor's tanks?
    Of all the crazy comments I have ever seen posted on the internet this ranks right up there with the worse of them. Why would anyone want to post something like that? Forget that it could never happen much less be likely to be attempted. We all know a vet or anyone had better have permission to test any animal for anything. Maybe a better scare tactic would have been posting a comment like:

    "What if a surpose team of psychologists showed up at a koi event and tested all the attendees for their IQ or mental illnesses?"

    Luke, you should be ashamed of yourself!!

    (edited post) I just received a email bringing me up to date on Luke determining that his koi were dying of KHV. I have been at a koi event for the past 4 days and did not know about this.

    Luke, I am truly sorry about your situation. KHV is a terrible disease and it seems that the initial death rate is getting lower dropping from 90%+ to 60% or even less - but, that is not good as the survivors are never to be trusted as anything but likely carriers. A year or two later another outbreak will likely occur.

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    It would be the height of arrogrance and/or stupidy on the part any anyone who knew in advance.

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    Given Luke's current situation, I think we can overlook his outbursts.

    His comment picks up a suggestion made by a person with authority on another board. The idea suggested was to have mandatory testing of every fish placed for sale at any show. Perhaps realizing the impracticality of the idea, the suggestion was followed by "or" at least the suspected ones. I did not see any follow-up explaining what was meant, and decided not to engage in self-inflicting brain damage by discussing the point. I figure the energy required to have an an intelligent discussion with someone espousing that notion was more than I possess on a Monday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeM View Post
    Given Luke's current situation, I think we can overlook his outbursts.

    His comment picks up a suggestion made by a person with authority on another board. The idea suggested was to have mandatory testing of every fish placed for sale at any show. Perhaps realizing the impracticality of the idea, the suggestion was followed by "or" at least the suspected ones. I did not see any follow-up explaining what was meant, and decided not to engage in self-inflicting brain damage by discussing the point. I figure the energy required to have an an intelligent discussion with someone espousing that notion was more than I possess on a Monday.
    LOL...very good Mike.

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    the reason i suggested it is because there is no baseline for what koi have khv and what koi do not....
    A baseline for khv within the hobbys population has not been established..it is non-sensical to believe all fish that have not had a known exposure to KHV are "khv free" and all those thta have been exposed to KHV are "KHV carriers".


    and as to testing vendor tanks..that is absolutely brilliant.
    think about it..not you Steve, too late for you to start.
    if koi shows did KHV testing from the tanks of vendors at the show then vendors would either be dang sure to not bring "possible KHV carrying fish to the show, or they would be quickly identified and perhaps not sell fish any longer.
    as it is now a hobbyist buys fish and no matter what they do the fish could still get into their main pond undetected before it sheds the virus and at that point the Show committee and the vendor can both point to the "Heron" as the culprit.
    What would happen is people would be more likely to buy fish at a show and be sure that they were safe. they could take them home and do the proper quarantine and wait on the testing reports of the show's vendors to aid them in determinng the KHV status of their purchases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luke frisbee View Post
    the reason i suggested it is because there is no baseline for what koi have khv and what koi do not....
    A baseline for khv within the hobbys population has not been established..it is non-sensical to believe all fish that have not had a known exposure to KHV are "khv free" and all those thta have been exposed to KHV are "KHV carriers".


    and as to testing vendor tanks..that is absolutely brilliant.
    think about it..not you Steve, too late for you to start.
    if koi shows did KHV testing from the tanks of vendors at the show then vendors would either be dang sure to not bring "possible KHV carrying fish to the show, or they would be quickly identified and perhaps not sell fish any longer.
    as it is now a hobbyist buys fish and no matter what they do the fish could still get into their main pond undetected before it sheds the virus and at that point the Show committee and the vendor can both point to the "Heron" as the culprit.
    What would happen is people would be more likely to buy fish at a show and be sure that they were safe. they could take them home and do the proper quarantine and wait on the testing reports of the show's vendors to aid them in determinng the KHV status of their purchases.
    I have to agree with you here Luke and you do make some good points! We need to start somewhere so what better place than at these shows!

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    Mine is going to start in my pond, will be looking at a centrifuge. I don't think my vet would appreciate me bringing in blood. I will ask her for the correct procedure and vials to send out.
    Last edited by cindy; 04-20-2009 at 04:39 PM. Reason: can't spell

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    Quote Originally Posted by luke frisbee View Post
    What if in order to understand KHV a "surprise" team of vets and vet techs showed up at a major show unannounced and serology-tested all the fish entered for KHV and all the vendor's tanks?
    First, I would think there would be no budget for that to happen.

    Secondly, any dealer or hobbyist bringing KHV infected fish to a show has to be a complete idiot. (from what I hear) it has happened before....

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