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    Sansai
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    Again, websites that are non scientific. And good indications of the bad information that is out there.

    And as for Blue Ridge, they should know better. Sounds to me like the web guy messed up. I guess Ill call the fisheries biologist there and have them fix the misinformation for you?

    Now, how about posting something from a scientific journal, a recognized authority in fish health. Not a bunch of websites that are filled in by tech people that dont have a clue.

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    How does the world tolerate you?
    Go ask your vet if costia is a disease.
    EVERYONE here can see you are a fool, and a Pompous one at that.
    You are wrong. You have no idea of the definition of disease. please stop and find out how wrong YOU ARE before you continue...All the people here are aware of your inadequacies, why can't you be....
    You aren't near as intelligent as you believe you are, and you do not have the ability to accept your shortcomings.

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    Not a good enough source for you to rethink your position?
    that one was from Fishbase...a higher authority than any koi based entity

    But here ya go
    Diseases of Farmed Goldfish and Koi, Department of Fisheries, Western Australia, Fish for the Future

    Now you're gonna say it isn't american?

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    Dr. Kong

    Costia is a single celled ectoparasite that can be disease-causing. The disease occurs if enough protozoans attach to the surface (of fish) causing tissue damage. Secondary bacterial and or fungal infections (diseases) can occur in open soars due to increased slime production and bleeding.

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    Again, you are misquoting information that is leading you to the wrong conclusion.

    Parasites are parasites. Disease is disease.

    And a lot of publications have the title diseases of fish on the cover, but then go into covering parasites. But that is what they are, parasites. Not diseases. Some parasites can cause diseases, but they are not a disease in themselves.

    Just like a tape worm in your intestine. It is a parasite, not a disease. Now, it can be a cause of all sorts of other issues, but it is not a disease.

    But thats OK, that is one of the reasons we have the dumbing down of America. So that definitions can change. If enough people start using disease to describe parasites, the english language will allow that change instead of teaching them the correct way.

    BTW, your last link did not call costia a disease, it called them a parasite. What it did do though was call anchor worms a disease, which of course is wrong.

    WOT

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    and finally..go argue with the AKCA.
    Koi Diseases

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    Quote Originally Posted by dOHd View Post
    Luke

    Again, you are misquoting information that is leading you to the wrong conclusion.

    Parasites are parasites. Disease is disease.

    And a lot of publications have the title diseases of fish on the cover, but then go into covering parasites. But that is what they are, parasites. Not diseases. Some parasites can cause diseases, but they are not a disease in themselves.

    Just like a tape worm in your intestine. It is a parasite, not a disease. Now, it can be a cause of all sorts of other issues, but it is not a disease.

    But thats OK, that is one of the reasons we have the dumbing down of America. So that definitions can change. If enough people start using disease to describe parasites, the english language will allow that change instead of teaching them the correct way.

    BTW, your last link did not call costia a disease, it called them a parasite. What it did do though was call anchor worms a disease, which of course is wrong.

    WOT

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    I just had to leave this bit of stupity as it is ..in case he does actually come to an understanding of what a Disease is...
    Dolt,
    a disease does not have to be an infectious disease...there are in fact parasitic disease....the word "disease" is not attched to a gorup of organisms..it is attached to describing an affect that causes the host to become less capable of doing any process.
    Once again, Alcoholism is a disease..it is not caused by an infectious species...
    "Disease" is a word you are clueless about...
    Most parasites do in fact cause a disease, as soon as the parasite overwhelms the host to the point that the host is limited in it function the presence of the parasite has become a disease.

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    one mosquito is not a disease
    one costia protozoa is not a disease

    parasitic disease is an infectious disease caused or transmitted by a parasite

    To me, a disease occurs when the animal's immune system is compromised.

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    Words "used" to mean things...

    These days words get tossed about rather generically which causes more confusion than anything else. Hell, most school children (and their pathetically ignorant civics teachers) actually believe there is a Constitutional "Right to Vote" for President and worse yet, 99% of the population is fool enough to believe the USA is a Democracy... which it is not nor ever has been from its founding (we are a Constitutional Republic). 99.99% even think Obama is the first Black President. (The first was John Hanson, first President of the United States under the Articles of Confederation)

    But I degress...

    Disease has carried the "ultra-generic" definition of any malady or disorder that causes a condition of "dis-ease", be it physical impairment, infectious pathogen, wound, mental disorder, etc... Hairsplitting and word parsing is a waste of time and completely unproductive.

    Parasites cause "dis-ease" and MAY open up the body to opportunistic pathogens (viral, bacterial, fungal). So does a simple cut or bruise. The opposite is also true as parasitic infestations can take opportunistic advantage of a wounded or weakened Koi. Instead of splitting silly hairs why not just be SPECIFIC!.

    If you want to talk about parasites refer to them as such. Virus' are not bacteria are not fungi, so when you wish to identify one of them do so in specific terms. You might actually say something that matters, but it ain't likely.
    Larry Iles
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    So I dont waste more of my time, let me add this

    Parasites can cause disease because they breach the Koi's slime coat and skin. When they do, they leave an open wound by which bacteria and other organisms can attack the fish. The parasites can carry other organisms with it that can attack the fish, but the offending virus, bacteria etc are already in the water column.

    The parasite is the method of which the disease enters the fish. Not always, but usually. That is why people that have parasite issues usually have sick fish. And why when you go to a pond with sick fish, the majority of the time you find parasites.

    Most parasites can be totally elminated in a closed setting. The cause of most disease in Koi, bacterial or viral infections, can not be totally eliminated. The viral aspect can be limited by proper selection of where you buy and proper quarantine, but it can never be totally eliminated.

    As to the AKCA reprint you quoted, yup, nothing like a paper written in a sloppy maner by a individual that lumps disease and parasites together as one. Doc J ought to know better. Just like the AKCA ought to know better.

    I never did say the dumbing down of America was limited to certain people in Florida.

    Once again, Alcoholism is a disease
    Its only lately become a "disease". Rather, like a lot of other issues people try to pass off as uncontrolable, it is more socially proper to refer to that behavior as a disease so we dont hurt someones feelings. Seen too many alcoholics just quit cold turkey, just like other drug users.

    But then not that long ago, homosexuality was reclassified from a deviant act to a disease, until it was once again changed to where it is now, an accepted lifestyle.

    But just because some people give it a definition that is different does not make it so. It just makes it politically correct.

    Also, in saying costia is a disease, you are also saying that alcohol is a disease. Not alcoholism but the actual alcohol itself.

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