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    Tosai beemo's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethan25 View Post
    I didn't even notice.

    wow, am I a fool!

    awww *sniff sniff* no yer not

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    Hi Motown, You are absolutely right in your thinking. And in theory you could graph it, but there are two real life problems in doing it by either percentage growth or weight, and that is;

    Koi grow in three ways 1) length 2) mass or weight and 3) energy put into growth of sexual reproductive organs.

    So one size does not fit all, Literially!!

    The seasonal growth in years one and two will be divided between length and a rising percentage into mass. In year three there will be a seasonal expenditure of energy diverted to growth of gonads ( egg mass is a huge part of growth) at the opened expense of growth in length. And years four, five , six the energy gets diverted to seasonal sexual development and mass with length beginning to slow as a percentage of overall growth.

    One of the Japanese breeder dealers prepared a chart for ZNA giving age and normal growth statistics for age, several years ago now. One of the most interesting things about this chart is that the fish of yesterday didn't grow as well in years one thru four as today's better fish do. But as a group ( yester year and today's) they all end up in the same size range as 7-8 year olds? ( with jumbo genetics producing a larger fish in those particular lines only)

    -JR

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    website about getting kois to grow quick and the benchmarks

    Hi Beemo,

    Hope this link helps you in getting your 3 small kois to grow quickly. It's a detailed discussion of koi growth rates and how to get those standards set by the Japanese. Hope you find it useful.

    Please see link:
    Size Matters

    Apart from the problem of being sucked by the bottom drain (which requires a different solution, which you resolved by having a small tank sunk into the ground), I find that adding a few more small size koi will overcome the problem of your one small koi freaking out or being hassled by the big kois. It's a case of divided attention, instead of being single out, there's other little guys to share the load of being picked on. It's the same principle as guppy babies, one alone will get attentioned by the adults that even if not eaten, will be nibbled/harassed that it will die. A whole spawn of babies, the adults will leave most of the rest if there are hiding places, eg, hiding among aquarium plants.

    After all, I have read some koi farms leave their small kois with thier large kois, but then the rearing pond is not small. The small ones are energetic and dash to the foods first often than not than the slower mature kois.

    Hope this helps.

    Best Wishes,

    Bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwleung View Post
    ...I find that adding a few more small size koi will overcome the problem of your one small koi freaking out or being hassled by the big kois. It's a case of divided attention, instead of being single out, there's other little guys to share the load of being picked on...

    ...I have read some koi farms leave their small kois with thier large kois, but then the rearing pond is not small. The small ones are energetic and dash to the foods first often than not than the slower mature kois...
    Our first spawns proved this to be true.

    At the time we had a much shallower pond with plants etc..., which provided hiding places for the fry. They stayed together in their hiding places while the adults schooled in open water. As the fry began to grow large enough to eat pellets they would dash out from under cover when the food hit the water and eat en-masse while the adults looked on from a distance. Once the babies had eaten their full, the adults would finish it off.

    As the fry grew above 3" or so they began swimming together out in the open, following the lead of the larger siblings but still separated from the adults. One by one as they grew to 5-6" they would leave the fry school and start to swim with the adults. It was an interesting study in behavior and "pecking order" changes with growth and time.
    Larry Iles
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    thanks for the link bwleung

    they look like they filled out a tiny bit, not in legnth but in fullness. they were a bit skinny from the store, still way too small to add tho.
    i may try and add them at 5", i will go by whats said in that they will school together with their own size, and as long as they cant fit into the bottom drain anymore then all should be good

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    BEEMO
    Lots of good folks here that will go miles to help you as JR just proved. Changed this thread right back to what it should have to start with. But keep in mind that this is koi keeping thing is all about learning and most will chime in so they can help even if its about QT or growth

    Bunch of great folk and one of the best boards you will ever find on the net.

    KFG

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    Quote Originally Posted by koifishgirl View Post
    BEEMO
    Lots of good folks here that will go miles to help you as JR just proved. Changed this thread right back to what it should have to start with. But keep in mind that this is koi keeping thing is all about learning and most will chime in so they can help even if its about QT or growth

    Bunch of great folk and one of the best boards you will ever find on the net.

    KFG
    we allready are back to the topic
    your a little late, everything is sorted out

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    baby koi

    Based on experience, I hope you can wait until the babies are a minimum of 8 inches, peferably 10, before you add them to a pond with a bottom drain.

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