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    Oyagoi CarolinaGirl's Avatar
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    Ethan, I'll tell you what Mat told me a long time ago. He said when you see a fish that is gorgeous and cheap.....there is a reason for it. The breeder knows these things and prices the fish accordingly. If you had paid $2000 for the fish and the beni faded, I'd be disappointed. But Mat knows his fish and he knows how to cull. He knows which fish have beni that will last and which fish are look good for now but will not stand the test of time. Anytime you buy inexpensive tosai, it is a crap shoot. Sometimes they last...usually they don't. It's just a matter of time. But I still buy tosai too, because I like to watch them grow. And sometimes I get pleasantly surprised!!

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    Saw-toothed Kiwa

    This sanke's beni plate is not streching much or not elastic enough to support his/her growth, thus resulting saw toothed kiwa of the first beni plate. To keep this fish, one must slow its growth rate to save the beni. I would rather cull this sanke and collect the one with better body conformation. Donald D.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cartoonzz View Post
    To keep this fish, one must slow its growth rate to save the beni.
    From speaking to the Breeder (Mat) of this Sanke several times over the years , he say's a Koi cannot Outgrow it's beni . Either it's quality , long lasting or it isn't . It has nothing to do with the speed of growth .

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    Quote Originally Posted by HEADACHE6 View Post
    From speaking to the Breeder (Mat) of this Sanke several times over the years , he say's a Koi cannot Outgrow it's beni . Either it's quality , long lasting or it isn't . It has nothing to do with the speed of growth .
    Those would be my thoughts as well. Koi that display solid "hoshi" type beni in the scales can give you an indication of strength even as a Koi grows rapidly, but these pictures make that difficult to read. Good beni may "appear" to be thinning during rapid growth periods, and 3" per month is fast. The devil is always in the details and we can't see them here.

    Ethan, did you read that thread over at NI yet? Getting some tight pics of the hi plates with the Koi "bent" will tell us much more than the ones you have posted. Brady has posted some really good shots of this here and elsewhere.
    Larry Iles
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    Quote Originally Posted by HEADACHE6 View Post
    From speaking to the Breeder (Mat) of this Sanke several times over the years , he say's a Koi cannot Outgrow it's beni . Either it's quality , long lasting or it isn't . It has nothing to do with the speed of growth .
    here's an email I just got back from Quality Koi Farm. I sent them these pictures asking Mat to comment if he would be gracious enough to do so.

    >> Hi Ethan,
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    >> Mat just had a chance to read your email and take a look at your
    >> pictures.
    >> He wanted to let you know a few extra details about this koi since he
    >> remembers it very well At the time when he was grading these koi, we
    >> only had tank space for the Select Grade. Since we didn't have a tank
    >> for
    >> our Tategoi Grade (our highest grade) he had no choice but to put this
    >> Sanke, which is Tategoi, into the Select Grade. When Mat looked at the
    >> pictures you sent, he said, "Still Tategoi." I know that doesn't answer
    >> all of your questions, but it hopefully lets you know that what Mat sees
    >> he does not think is a bad thing. Thanks for the update, and let us know
    >> if we can answer any other questions for you.
    >>
    >> Thanks,
    >> Tara

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethan25 View Post
    here's an email I just got back from Quality Koi Farm. I sent them these pictures asking Mat to comment if he would be gracious enough to do so.


    Good people up in Jersey !

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    Some people value their reputation more than a quick sale.
    If he says he still likes what he sees it ain't just words

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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaBear View Post
    Some people value their reputation more than a quick sale.
    If he says he still likes what he sees it ain't just words
    that was nice to hear. I will have to believe it when I see it come fall, though!

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