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    Sansai WayneB's Avatar
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    Critique my local bred Shiro Utsuri

    Kindai Shiro Utsuri
    Breeder: Quality Koi / Platinum Koi in Bonnievalle South Africa
    Dealer: Cape Koi Aquarium
    Bloodline: Omosako
    Gender: Unknown
    Length: 19cm




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    i got only one negative..its head is a little too yellow
    other than that...it is a helluva "south african domestic"

    (bad weather here so this might be a repeat)

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    The yellow tone on the head of a Shiro as tosai is not a concern. The best sansai often had yellow heads as tosai. It's one of those things that make Shiro Utsuri different from Showa and Bekko.

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    is there a yellowish area on the tail tube?

    otherwise, nice little "domestic"

    would put in my pond, if i were looking to add one.

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    very nice. South Africxan Bred ( i dislike to use the word domestic as it started out to mean less than, but is not totally applicable in this day and age)

    I know I've mentioned it a million times and I'm tempted to just dummy up and say nothing but what the heck (moe-ichi doe) one more time....

    Serious students of young koi for judgement, appreciate side shots and belly shots as well as the standard over the back. This is critical for shiro Utsuri, Showa, Asagi as you can better see into the future from what
    you discover.

    All I can see is that the koi has much more sumi coming under the dorsal
    as seen by the line of black at the base of dorsal along the back.

    belly shots tell me the sumi strength, side shots tell me the heritage of the sumi and how it will fill in.
    Dick Benbow

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    When I voiced my concerns to a very prominent breeder about the yellow head on some of my younger Shiros, he told me to keep the yellow ones and get rid of the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azngopher View Post
    is there a yellowish area on the tail tube?

    otherwise, nice little "domestic"

    would put in my pond, if i were looking to add one.
    Good point, ill have to go and check. When i "worked him over" i did not see any yellow there but maybe is missed something.

    Guys thankyou for the comments, il try and get more shots of his belly and sides.

    Wayne

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    looks like a yellow cast along the dorsal ridge in front of the dorsal fin in the pic.
    i have no problem with a discolored head...but i get "nervous" when i see it on a backyard breeder ..if omosako bred it and his line carries a "yellow head" when young and loose the yellow when they mature then fine...but ?

    And true enough the head may clear....but often they don't as well
    Last edited by luke frisbee; 02-06-2010 at 08:27 AM.

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    I bought 4 Omosako Shiros in the growout contest. My #1 pic was almost all yellow. She was the worst one (yellow) in the final pics of the growout. She is slowly turning a very bright white.

    On the other hand, the others have been very white all along and they are still white. It's all a guessing game.

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    I netted the koi again today and had a better look. Theres no yellow colour or any discolouration on it except for the head, It looks like a few slightly raised scales, almost as if it bumped itself against something.





    I am hoping that the koi will develop something like this omosako shiro but as we all know its always a gamble with small kois.








    Im not sure if it is fair to refer to any Non-Japnese breeders as backyard breeders especially seeing as this particular farm has been going for years and years. Its a fairly big farm with dedicated staff.. The farm bred a goshiki that took second prize at the 1998 All-Japan Koi Show. I admit that one must look at japan for advancements of the hobby and for the best koi at the top end of the market but i dont think one should write off local breeders. I own a few imports but i do like to go and see what "bargains" i can find at the local dealer\breeder...my 2c


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