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Thread: The "mystery" tosai

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    The "mystery" tosai

    I bought this tosai as a 4-5 month old tosai, 6” long in October of last fall (2010). I brought her home and put her in QT over the winter, feeding sparingly, keeping temps in the 65 degree range. Once spring hit this year, I put her in the home pond.


    What type of koi would you consider it at first impression?

    Those who know from another board, please don’t spoil the fun!




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    Kimonryu? Would be my guess

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    doits soragoi?

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    I cannot tell if it is slightly metallic or just the flash reflection? If Metallic then I would guess Kikikuryu. If not metallic then Doitsu Karasu. Remember we classify koi into variety names by their appearance not by genetics. For example if a koi with showa parents is black and white but is lacking any red color we do not call it a showa we call it a Shiro Utsuri.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RayJordan View Post
    I cannot tell if it is slightly metallic or just the flash reflection? If Metallic then I would guess Kikikuryu. If not metallic then Doitsu Karasu. Remember we classify koi into variety names by their appearance not by genetics. For example if a koi with showa parents is black and white but is lacking any red color we do not call it a showa we call it a Shiro Utsuri.
    Hi Ray, Omosako call them as Tancho Shiro Utsuri !!

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    I appreciate sumi and so one like this always grabs my attention in several ways. Black has a unique charm for me.

    I do have to ask the judges who are willing to post, what their impression of doitsu is when there are scales missing between the shoulder and the dorsal fin?

    BB

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbradleybradley View Post
    I do have to ask the judges who are willing to post, what their impression of doitsu is when there are scales missing between the shoulder and the dorsal fin?

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    Let's see who recalls Ray's lesson in his recent article on Shusui in KoiUSA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeM View Post
    Let's see who recalls Ray's lesson in his recent article on Shusui in KoiUSA.
    Not fair I have not have that issue delivered yet.

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    So, I put it in my pond, early April. Pond temps 65. Rose to 75 by late May, 85 by mid July through today. Any want to venture a guess at body, size, color/pattern?

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    I've found that those with more sumi when young generally change less as they age. The changes themselves are in the main dependant on water temperature and photo period, where the modifing gene (also called the spreading white gene) is triggered by these. It pays to watch the them from when they are young. Some hardly change at all as the gene is inactive, but they also tend to have the most sumi from a young age. Most of these end up as hageshiro and hijaro. Then there are those that change often, where the gene is more active. Due to the ever changing nature of the pattern in the later type, selection should never be first on pattern, but on everything else. What I like most about the educational value of these koi is that they force you to appreciate & select on the non-pattern criteria first.

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