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    Nichirin - (Pond Type)

    In the section "My Proud Koi" of the October 2011 Issue of Nichirin, Shigeru Takigami states the following about the concern of a prized 6 year old, 95cm Ogon.


    "While the Garden Pond isn't as good as a Square Pond for large Koi to grow more, and I'm a little concerning about how this Ogon will be taken care of from now".


    In the photo that was included in the section, a Garden type pond is shown (I'll guess this is the Hobbyist pond). This wasn't a Water Garden that was shallow with plants, just a Garden type pond.

    I'd be interested in hearing what the members here have to add about the above statement.


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    Hmmm....

    Kind of reminiscent of the owner's manual that came with my first motorcycle.

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    Obviously, there are translation issues.

    My pure guess is that Takigama-san's Japanese garden-style pond is a typical one, comparatively shallow without any 'sprinting' distances and barely adequate filtration. His desire seems to be to reach a meter or more, but my impression is that in most such ponds the koi are usually medium sized, not jumbo. Just my guess.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeM View Post
    Obviously, there are translation issues.

    My pure guess is that Takigama-san's Japanese garden-style pond is a typical one, comparatively shallow without any 'sprinting' distances and barely adequate filtration. His desire seems to be to reach a meter or more, but my impression is that in most such ponds the koi are usually medium sized, not jumbo. Just my guess.....

    I reproduced the statement as is, so I wouldn't lean the thought one way or the other.

    The pond in the photo didn't seem to be shallow and to be of very nice size, so I don't see a lack of area for "Sprinting" as a issue.

    If all things are equal (Gallons, Depth, Filters, Etc.), could there be a reason to have one type pond over another when it comes to Koi development ?

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    The question for me is what is meant by "Square Pond".

    Is "Square Pond" a larger dealer pond?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricshaw View Post
    The question for me is what is meant by "Square Pond".

    Is "Square Pond" a larger dealer pond?
    I've been mulling that thought around myself.
    A "typical" Japanese Garden Pond may be radically different from a Western "water garden" (free from plants and rocks) , but most would be relatively small compared to a dealer pond and in a relaxed setting. It makes me wonder if his thoughts are along the lines of a pond that at least to the human mind "provokes" exercise (square/industrial style) vs one that "evokes" calm and serenety (rounded/Zen-like).
    Just a thought.

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    Most of the "growing ponds" , which we normally refer to as " square or rectangular ponds " are simple shaped ponds , designed to keep a growing fish or designed for fish growth , where filteration & length of pond is of some concern and little aesthetic values . While a garden pond is one we actually "retires" the fish when they are of length or " finished " , and there will be little or no sense of loss in any of the fish growth .

    A general remark that actually came with a sense of relunctance and empathy on a beautiful growing Ogon .
    Such is the sentiment when Shigeiru Mano made this remark . Shigeiru believed this is one beautiful Ogon that can even break the 1.0 meter mark easily and probably touch or passed the 1.1 meter mark should she be left in a growing pond .

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    One of the 'tricks' I've seen in many garden ponds in Japan is a flow thru system. The pond appears to be like our shallow garden ponds but the water pouring in one end and leaving the other quickly changes this enclosure from a closed system to an open system. In short, it 'looks the same' but in function it is an entirely different animal!
    Brett might remember a famous experiment done with trout fingerling, I think?, where the fish were put in a closed tube and water was flushed over them 24 X7 and they grew beautifully! No nitrate or ammonia of course because there was no filter! No bacteria--- just clean pure water washing away all waste and organics. JR

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    Dilution is the solution to polution. Rare is the fish keeper that can use a constant water change as the only polution solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidSoon View Post
    Most of the "growing ponds" , which we normally refer to as " square or rectangular ponds " are simple shaped ponds , designed to keep a growing fish or designed for fish growth , where filteration & length of pond is of some concern and little aesthetic values . While a garden pond is one we actually "retires" the fish when they are of length or " finished " , and there will be little or no sense of loss in any of the fish growth .

    Brother David, How does the designed "Square-Rectangular" Shaped Pond keep a Koi growing over a different design ?

    I'm personally leaning toward the current this type pond would have over a Garden Pond.

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