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Thread: Coming of beni matsukawabake

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    Brad I am sure you have read everything regarding stabalizing the sumi on Beni Kumonryu, but just in case Jos Aben who produced that glorious Doits Showa that always pops up, used a Female Doitsu Showa and a Beni-Kumonryu for two reasons. Firstly he wanted to improve the deepness of the sumi in the Doitsu-Showa, and secondly to create a more stable patterning in the Kumonryu.

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    just for conversations sake, the one thing I like about matsukawabake and kumonryu is their changeable patterns. I understand a stable pattern for showa but not so entriqued with one for the other inheritence.

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    Tangles, there have also been attempts to produce kumonryu with utsuri features. For me the essence of kumonryu is all about the change nature of lateral pattern. The addition of wrapped sumi pattern does not work so well.

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    Isn't the changing pattern key to being Kumonryu or Matsukawabake? Ones that change pattern when young can become nearly solid black when mature. When this happens, the label changes to Hajiro or Hageshiro or some other Karasugoi depending on how much white remains and its location. It seems to become a question of how long it takes for a pattern to change whether a koi gets labeled as Kumonryu/Matsukawabake or something else. Is there is a bright line to draw?

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    Ever changing Beni Matsukawabake. Progression of photos with the season, youngest to oldest. If not for the photos it might be suggested this koi is a showa or goshiki.

    Coming of beni matsukawabake-10351905_10153233870757926_1511016551597470298_n.jpg

    larger photo from today

    Coming of beni matsukawabake-1896805_10153233819047926_4795149318415432220_n.jpg

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    Nifty stuff! So much to absorb from this series of photos. It says something about the relationship to Showa/Utsuri. I'm not sure what.

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    Remember this one when it had more of a showa look? The sumi is slow to change, but becoming less showa-like

    Coming of beni matsukawabake-comparison.jpg.

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    Go back to photos of Showa from times before Kobayashi did his work, and they did look much like that.

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    Once your happy with your effort, I encourage you to add Gin Rin to the mix...

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    Another change, photo from today.
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