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    Very interesting fish! What is your expectation on the beni for the future of this fish?

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    Beni is stable at the front and should remain. Back half slowly in decline.

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    How large is it now?

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    around 30cm

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbradleybradley View Post
    As an aside, the conversation of the coming and going of sumi, may well fit what we feel we see, but this is a black based fish. I prefer to look at this variety as the seasonal coming and going of the shiro. I add my own poetic interpretation here - that matsukawabake reflect the coming and going of snow along a river of sumi.

    In reality, the coming and going is a switching of gene expression.
    Very interesting. And gene expression by means of temperature????

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    I took this photo is 2014 as a possible future Beni Matsukawabake

    Here is the same koi today

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    A koi that only a breeder can appreciate.

    What I find interesting is how the sumi shows itself on individual scales, similar to the way certain Goshiki exhibit their sumi during their growing years. If the Hi appeared in a danmoyo pattern across the back, the overall appearance would be bold and very Goshiki-like. With Matsukawabake there is an expectation that the sumi will appear in bold irregularity, as in young Kumonryu. Theoretically, the addition of red pigment could give a somewhat Showa-like koi, with dramatic seasonal variations. But, we see Matsukawabake sumi take all sorts of expressions, particularly over time. I have not kept one simply because those I have seen in my area have all become solid black Karasugoi after their second year. Question: Has the sumi remained relatively stable since it's tosai year? Has it expanded/retracted materially with changes in the seasons?

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