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Thread: what would you say was a good hajiro?

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    what would you say was a good hajiro?

    I was wondering what you would say was a good hajiro,Is this one a good one it is tosia and 49cm.

    cheers blake
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    that's a very good one. It's a good sign that someone so young in the hobby would be attracted to a koi such as this one. fairly unusual......

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    thanks dick, I was given it by toshio sakia last october when it was 12cm.

    cheers blake

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    Hi Blake

    Looks like a great hajiro you have there. I have one myself and think they are subtle beauties.

    One question, you mentioned that you got it from Toshio Sakai (tell me how to getr that done ) last october. How can it be a Tosai?

    Rgds

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    hajiro

    Hi when I went to Japan with Tim Waddy last Oct. Toshio gaveit to me and it was only 4 months old. So now it is a year and 4 months so still a tosai.
    cheers brakesan

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    Metre challenge

    Toshio gave me a challenge to get this koi to a metre, normally koi this young dont come in in the Autumn.
    cheers brakesan

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    Ray,

    Blake's right. It is a quirk of the Niigata breeders that all Koi have their birthdays at the end of October. Year Zero is Oct of the year they are born.

    Toshio being a Yamakoshi boy probably carries on the tradition.

    Blake, just a few more weeks and it will be Nissai....

    rgds BERN

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    Hi

    Since a lot off dealers are already in Japan buying koi, I figured that there must be plenty of koi already brought from the mudponds to the greenhouses. And after ikeage for me koi that went in during the spring as tosai are nisai. Never heard about this end of october b'day thing. Well, never to late to learn

    Just seems a little weird that you wil have your b'day in october when most are born in spring. Oh well, whatever it takes for a party i guess

    Thanks for teaching.

    Regenmeneer

    P.s. Blake, tell me how to get a koi as a gift from a breeder

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    Hi Ray,

    The person that explained this to me was the breeder Marusada, the interpreter was Segiyoshi Tanaka (from the Marujyu Yorijo).

    Basically the rationale was, -

    The koi are spawned late May early June, hatched some days later and are then grown on during the summer. During that time, the Go-sanke will be caught and culled five times. In October they are harvested and the final cull sold off to brokers. The remaining fish will be sorted into Tategoi & Tateshita. The Tateshita will be sold off to discerning dealers as either individuals or consolidated boxes, but will carry the Breeders own brand. The Tategoi can be bought but the majority are overwintered indoors and then put out into mud ponds the following year as tosai.

    One of the guys that was there at this explanation sought clarification and summarised thus "So a tosai can be anything up to 18months old?" which was confirmed.

    I rationalised this by thinking that to a breeder they aren't born until he decides they are worthy of his name, be it as Tategoi or as Tateshita.

    rgds Bern
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    Thanx Bern for the explanation.

    Just wondering how strictly they adhere to the end of October, since I was always told they go from tosai to ake-nisai when they go into the mudponds, and become nisai when they are harvested. For instance, what when the breeder harvests his koi in Novembre because of whatever reason (busy or great weather) Will they stil become nisai end of October, or will they remain tosai untill harvested?

    Rgds

    Regenmeneer

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