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Thread: "Windows" and Koi Appreciation

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    we got to look at the different fashions coming into this season of shows...if you look at your bito(for those who have it) and look close at all the top awarded Sankes, you can see a big liking to showa/sumi sanke or that heavy Jimbei Sumi...take a look...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aquitori
    we got to look at the different fashions coming into this season of shows...if you look at your bito(for those who have it) and look close at all the top awarded Sankes, you can see a big liking to showa/sumi sanke or that heavy Jimbei Sumi...take a look...
    Antonio
    Welcome back !!! Yes I think Jimbei Sumi is in. I noticed it in October while in japan, and also at the AJS this year. And it was very prominent in issue 10 of KB.

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    Mike M . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeM
    Don, while waiting for Ray, note that the subject fish not only has a facial pattern divided down the middle which would have been considered a negative under traditional pattern concepts of 1970s &'80's, but also count the number of steps, the evenness of separation of the steps, the presence of Odome (albeit a bit narrow).... balancing some real positives under the traditional concepts.
    Agreed, the rest of the pattern is quite traditional. But that busted menkaburi head pattern -- that was the pattern aspect I wanted to discuss. Probably should have cropped the photo. LOL

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    I have a nice Hanatsuki kohaku myself. The past-the-eye patterns are considered "primitive" and are thusly less well liked?

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    Tonio . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by aquitori
    Let's look at this Kohak....Weak tail joint, deep shashi and pattern is better than the GC All-Japan...But if we see this pattern on the GC body...then I see this fish winning.
    Heck, if they put your face on that GC's body . . . then it would win.

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    OK, Ray . . .

    let's forget that GC. Let's forget my exemplar photo, too. Let's get rid of all the visual aids and let's ignore size. And let us please ignore for the moment your personal beliefs.

    Let's just discuss basic abstract theory, 'cause I feel like I really need to pin this down.

    Does AKCA doctrine teach that there are "primitive" gosanke patterns and that there are "evolved or refined" gosanke patterns?

    And if so, is menkaburi considered a primitive pattern?

    Thanks,

    EDIT: Maybe the whole primitive vs. evolved pattern thing is a ZNA concept, not AKCA? If so, and if you're not ZNA, Ray, then I sincerely apologize for trying to pin you down.
    Don Chandler
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    I would be interested to know that also, and is Hantasuki primitive and thusly bad?

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    Hi! There was a post earlier with these terms. What do they mean? bongiri,
    hakamahaki
    ippon-moyo,
    kabuto
    zobonhaki.
    magoi
    tosai
    nisai
    sansai or
    yonsai

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    bongiri - patternless tail joint area
    ippon-moyo - single, continuous color/pattern
    kabuto -
    different head color from the body
    magoi - wild carp
    tosai - one year old
    nisai - two
    year old
    sansai - three year old
    yonsai - four year old

    i don't know about the other two.

    -dan

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcny
    bongiri - patternless tail joint area
    ippon-moyo - single, continuous color/pattern
    kabuto -
    different head color from the body
    magoi - wild carp
    tosai - one year old
    nisai - two
    year old
    sansai - three year old
    yonsai - four year old

    i don't know about the other two.

    -dan
    and other two....

    zobonhaki: a Kohaku in which the Hi pattern extends down to the tail and around the peduncle, or largely so. It is not favoured in quality kohaku.

    hakamahaki: koi with a second half that has little shiroji and is heavily covered in pattern. A Koi that appears heavy-looking , as if it were wearing pants. (it is also called Koi wearing pants)

    --Dinh

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