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Thread: Matching price with quality.

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    Daihonmei
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    I wouldn't try to appraise a fish from a photo. Having bought fish direct from Japan from pictures all through the late eighties and very early nienties, I can testify, you are only seeing pattern. The rest is the eye of the photographer and the quality of the lens. More like shopping for a wedding photographer or a new camera rig that assessing an actual koi. The Internet is good for a lot of things but not for buying or appraising koi unfortunately. If you think about it, price rises on a fish's skin, luster and 'presence'. And the price falls on defects and shortcomings- none of these things can se assessed properly from a one dimensional photo. And I kinda doubt a dealer wants to show flaws on the photo?
    JR

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    how do you think Dinh made to every dealer's A-list customers? me, I think Dinh has too much money than he knows what to do with.

    Steve


    Quote Originally Posted by aquitori View Post
    Even if the fish is Nisai at 11" you still would pay $300 Dinh? Your the one hobbyist setting the tone of prices in the Bay Area...

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    The point of the thread wasn't that the photos were a true representation of the actual fish, it was that if these photos were all you had to go by, what value would you assign these fish? I wanted to get an idea of the RANGE of value koi people would assign to these fish. Obviously, it had to be by photo and the little info I had on them.

    It's just a fun exercise for a couple of slightly unusual koi of moderate quality, that shows me that one photo gave a surprisingly wide assigned value range.

    Let's try these two:

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    sorry....more info:

    Fish #1 sanke 2 yrs 15"

    Fish #2 asagi 3 yrs 19"

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    I would be suprised to see that sanke price less than $650 even though the body comfirmation is not top of the line for its age. imo, the tail section is on the thin side. I like the pattern and hi. kiwa on the head is good. still have some sashi to clean up on the body. is this a tategoi?

    the asagi has too many dots both side of the face and big red dot on the head. my understanding is that asagi needs to have a clean head and deep blue. this one has average blue but given its size, my guess would be 500.

    Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by 68bruin View Post
    sorry....more info:

    Fish #1 sanke 2 yrs 15"

    Fish #2 asagi 3 yrs 19"
    #1 $800

    #2 $1000

    That's what I think they'll sell for but not what i'll pay.

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    hey 68, are you trying to trick us? they look like 10 - 12 inchers to me...

    sanke $325 - 350
    asagi $175 - 225


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    no tricks.... I'm having fun, but these stats came with the photos. Xiao, with your estimates, I need to know where you buy fish!! I'm going to go there tomorrow!!

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    Jumbo Steve Nguyen's Avatar
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    please post the directions so all of us can come too. I think we all have been rip off by local dealers here.

    Steve

    Quote Originally Posted by 68bruin View Post
    no tricks.... I'm having fun, but these stats came with the photos. Xiao, with your estimates, I need to know where you buy fish!! I'm going to go there tomorrow!!

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    Antiques Road Show value....

    Mind you we dont even know the breeders of these fish.

    Sanke $600-800
    Asagi $300-500

    These would be the fall harvest guesstimates

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