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    Have you ever seen anything like this?

    We bought this Showa November 2005, she is a 4 year old. Have any of you ever seen anything like this happen? If so what did you do to treat it? and did it survive? Sorry pics not very good. Look at her right cheek. photo 1,2,3, were taken 1 week before last photo, see how much larger the cheek has gotten.
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    Actually I have seen something similar while vistiing Ray Abell. My not be the exact same thing, but it was similar. Ray said the Koi had gotten a stone or other foreign object embedded in in the check and over time it had festered and pushed the cheek out. It didn't look bad, pure white like the rest of the cheek area on that side and the other, just puffed out. He had intended to do some surgery on it later, but I was not there long enough to see him do it. This was a rather large show fish that he was dealing with. I can't recall if he said he was going to get the offending particle out from the inside so as not to leave a scar on the outside or not.

    You might want to ask Ray or someone like Brett or Mat McCann about it also.

    Rod L.

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    Hi Rod
    We had already checked, there is nothing at all lodged in the cheek or mouth. As you can see the check has a yellow tint to it, also in the last photo the check is even larger in person. There are no open wounds inside or outside of the mouth, or surrounding area.

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    Aww Nancy . . .

    that's just horrible. So sorry.

    Can't imagine that's anything but a fast growing tumor or cyst. Hope Dr. Hildreth (a local DVM and koi specialist here in SoCal) can swing by your house and take a look see?

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    Does the area feel soft or hard? If it is soft, maybe the fluid can be drained...Sorry to hear about this issue with this very nice Showa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nancy M. View Post
    We bought this Showa November 2005, she is a 4 year old. Have any of you ever seen anything like this happen? If so what did you do to treat it? and did it survive? Sorry pics not very good. Look at her right cheek. photo 1,2,3, were taken 1 week before last photo, see how much larger the cheek has gotten.
    pm'd you with Dr. Sandra Yosha's email address. Maybe she would help if you don't get the info you need for rescuing this fish otherwise.

    best wishes,

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    A couple of different things

    I have seen the "abcess" as Rod explains and I have also seen fatty tissue develope on the cheeks. If fatty tissue, it cat simply be trimmed away. BUT, if its an abcess, the cause has to be eliminated and then treated with antibiotics. Give Tim a call, he may be able to help.

    Steve

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    You could also try Dr. erik Johnson, maybe he can help you if you send him a email. I dont know his email but you should be able to find his # and give him a call.

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    Nancy,
    In the case of the one at Ray's, I think it was as you say, with NO open wounds. His theory was the Koi got something lodged in the cheek whole rooting for food in the mud pond. It went unnoticed, the entry point healed over, but the piece still being inside the cheek eventually started to be rejected by the Koi's system and it started to grow the absess from within, with no external signs of damage. The treatment was as Steve described.

    The other options are as has already described. It could be a tumor. I don't know if trying to use one of those tiny mag lites to shine from inside the mouth area thru the cheek will disclose anything taht might be in the cheek or not, but might be worth a try after you consider all your options.

    I am not sure if Ray could feel the object in there or how he knew what he was dealing with.

    Rod L.

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    I have seen this many times. It's an abcess. The sooner you get it lanced, cleaned out and an aniti-biotic used to clear up the infection the better.

    I have seen this happen to the best of koi keepers/breeders ( clean facilities, good care etc. ) so don't feel any guilt. all of those treated were
    recovered very well. I know joel B who adv here with pan intercorp has dealt with this as well.

    best wishes for fastly recovering fishes

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