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    Bottom line to me JR is, on purpose or other wise, the dealer has taken advantage of a newbie. It is to bad that morality has gone away. It will bite him in the ass in the long run. (Unless there is a missing piece to this conversation.)

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    Dinh,
    The dealer who sold me the shiro utsuri never replaced the fish. I ended up selling the fish for less amount of money and informed the guy who bought it that it has a swimbladder problem. Eventually the fish died after 4 months under his care. I never went back to that dealer again. I learned my lesson the hard way.
    Luis,
    this should be a learning experience for you. Since you are already a member of this board try to make use of the resources that we have on this website. Ask and you shall receive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gspotmc View Post
    Dinh,
    The dealer who sold me the shiro utsuri never replaced the fish. I ended up selling the fish for less amount of money and informed the guy who bought it that it has a swimbladder problem. Eventually the fish died after 4 months under his care. I never went back to that dealer again. I learned my lesson the hard way.
    Luis,
    this should be a learning experience for you. Since you are already a member of this board try to make use of the resources that we have on this website. Ask and you shall receive.
    It is a good to hear that you are not come back to that dealer again.....

    Now, here is the question -- What if the dealer already explained to customer that the fish is sick, but customer just want to buy it and dealer let it go for $$.... I want to hear your voices on this quest?

    --Dinh

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    Dinh,
    That's the customers reponsibility if the customer really wanted the koi. The dealer should ask the customer to sign a waiver. But I think dealer should not sell a sick koi regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gspotmc View Post
    Dinh,
    That's the customers reponsibility if the customer really wanted the koi. The dealer should ask the customer to sign a waiver. But I think dealer should not sell a sick koi regardless.
    I am with you Michael...

    Few years ago, a good koi buddy of mine trying to buy a sick koi (in the state of losing scales) - I tried very hard to get him out of it... The dealer also said that it is not a good buy... But he believed he has QT large enough to take care of the fish and hope the fish will recover and new scales will come back someday.... I failed to convince him....

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    Sick Fish

    I would like to thank everyone for their responses, . My intent of posting this email was to get some insight on my issue. I must say that the dealer did tell me that he would replace the fish and we are talking about that, I thank him for this But their are issues regarding this that I can not talk about yet because in my eyes I pre paid for a fish. It should not die in 4 days. I was told I had 2 and 3 pick of the Koi he brought back from Japan. Then it turned into 3 & 4 th pick then it turned into I can pick from Three fish.

    He said the fish was still sick he would take care of it or I could take it home. He said all
    I had to do was raise the water temperature and add ElBagin raise temp to 80 degrees with .06% salt and also I did a 20 percent water change in my 500 gallon holding tank. I was raising the water but he said raise the water fast. I got it up to 80 in 2 days. I cleaned the J mats with pond water. After one day the fish was jumping, 2 days fins started getting red scales falling off, 3 days more scales and fins turning black. fourth day DEAD. I contacted him telling him this was going on. He then said I told you I would keep the fish, but he also said the fish would be alright? I don't understand why a farmer that had mad cow desease would be selling cows? He had the fish for three weeks from Japan and said they were out of quarantine.


    I wrote this email to get some guidence on the issue not to be attacked. If you want to attack me it is not productive please do not attack the dealer. I just don't want to make the problem worse than it is. I see when people write mean things the tread is closed. I live my life believing all problems work out if both sides are willing.

    It is 100% clear now that I should not have taken the fish. It is also 100% clear that dealers should not release sick fish because you are dealing with peoples money. I believe this issue should help dealers and myself in the future.

    Thank everyone for your reply

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    Quote Originally Posted by luisb View Post
    I am new to the koi hobby. Is it customary for a dealer to let you take home a sick fish. I was told the fish would get better then it died 4 days later.
    Luis,
    We got your side of the story. What about the dealer? I know for a fact that a dealer will not send home a sick fish to a client not unless the client insisted. And a dealer will not tell a client that a sick fish will get better especially under a newbies care. Is there anything missing from your side of the story?
    Michael

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    Quote Originally Posted by luisb View Post
    I would like to thank everyone for their responses, . My intent of posting this email was to get some insight on my issue. I must say that the dealer did tell me that he would replace the fish and we are talking about that, I thank him for this But their are issues regarding this that I can not talk about yet because in my eyes I pre paid for a fish. It should not die in 4 days. I was told I had 2 and 3 pick of the Koi he brought back from Japan. Then it turned into 3 & 4 th pick then it turned into I can pick from Three fish.

    He said the fish was still sick he would take care of it or I could take it home. He said all
    I had to do was raise the water temperature and add ElBagin raise temp to 80 degrees with .06% salt and also I did a 20 percent water change in my 500 gallon holding tank. I was raising the water but he said raise the water fast. I got it up to 80 in 2 days. I cleaned the J mats with pond water. After one day the fish was jumping, 2 days fins started getting red scales falling off, 3 days more scales and fins turning black. fourth day DEAD. I contacted him telling him this was going on. He then said I told you I would keep the fish, but he also said the fish would be alright? I don't understand why a farmer that had mad cow desease would be selling cows? He had the fish for three weeks from Japan and said they were out of quarantine.


    I wrote this email to get some guidence on the issue not to be attacked. If you want to attack me it is not productive please do not attack the dealer. I just don't want to make the problem worse than it is. I see when people write mean things the tread is closed. I live my life believing all problems work out if both sides are willing.

    It is 100% clear now that I should not have taken the fish. It is also 100% clear that dealers should not release sick fish because you are dealing with peoples money. I believe this issue should help dealers and myself in the future.

    Thank everyone for your reply
    Luis,
    I posted late sorry about that. Anyway this is a lesson and you can just charge it to experience. You are still lucky that the dealer is gonna replace the koi as you stated.
    Michael

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    Glad to see you share more info.
    My friend Luis, never ever buy a sick fish again;-))

    Ping me if you want to chat more or visit my pond.

    --Dinh

    Quote Originally Posted by luisb View Post
    I would like to thank everyone for their responses, . My intent of posting this email was to get some insight on my issue. I must say that the dealer did tell me that he would replace the fish and we are talking about that, I thank him for this But their are issues regarding this that I can not talk about yet because in my eyes I pre paid for a fish. It should not die in 4 days. I was told I had 2 and 3 pick of the Koi he brought back from Japan. Then it turned into 3 & 4 th pick then it turned into I can pick from Three fish.

    He said the fish was still sick he would take care of it or I could take it home. He said all
    I had to do was raise the water temperature and add ElBagin raise temp to 80 degrees with .06% salt and also I did a 20 percent water change in my 500 gallon holding tank. I was raising the water but he said raise the water fast. I got it up to 80 in 2 days. I cleaned the J mats with pond water. After one day the fish was jumping, 2 days fins started getting red scales falling off, 3 days more scales and fins turning black. fourth day DEAD. I contacted him telling him this was going on. He then said I told you I would keep the fish, but he also said the fish would be alright? I don't understand why a farmer that had mad cow desease would be selling cows? He had the fish for three weeks from Japan and said they were out of quarantine.


    I wrote this email to get some guidence on the issue not to be attacked. If you want to attack me it is not productive please do not attack the dealer. I just don't want to make the problem worse than it is. I see when people write mean things the tread is closed. I live my life believing all problems work out if both sides are willing.

    It is 100% clear now that I should not have taken the fish. It is also 100% clear that dealers should not release sick fish because you are dealing with peoples money. I believe this issue should help dealers and myself in the future.

    Thank everyone for your reply

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    Quote Originally Posted by saratogatan View Post
    The inter-net is providing something that 'short circuit' the way koi business transacts. Now anyone can get a lot of advices on boards like KB, and experts like JR, for free, on koi costing up to $100K. In all cases, the advices are hell of lot more objective than one you can get from a dealer. Like JR said, most dealers today are transcator, $$$ is the target, not the koi. Since they can't provide unbiased advices, they can't charge us for that.

    stan
    not to mention that dealers need to make a living too.

    Steve

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