'Continuation' of KHA Program . . .

[dinh]

Quote: Originally Posted by aquitori Who are you and welcome to the board........

Does it matter who is she/he? But yet Tony, I want to welcome him or her on board as well.

[Koi Slop]

Another nice ambassador of the judging program I see. If I'm having and "agressive emotional tirate" then you'd better check yourself young man
Your attacks on the KHA program over the years have been well documented in your verbose public manner. Yet, your ego driven posts of the moment don't allow you to see it.
Meeting tomorrow night. The after party should be one spoken of for years to come

Quote: Originally Posted by JasPR no smilely faces please ms anon. it does not go with the anger and frustration you are projecting in your typed words. Lets look at your passive agressive emotional tirate--- "KHA program is so beloved by the dealers, and people in the know like you" - passive agressive anon First of I'd like to start off by saying I do not like anons. To me this is the most cowardly of tactics found on the internet boards. But I won't make this anymore personal than that. It does not matter if the KH program is 'loved' or not. These issues are important. Personally I was very up front about my feelings regarding the direction of the KHA movement. But that isn't even the issue. The program has some very real problems at the moment. No one denies that. And those issues have nothing at all to do with 'how inside' the people involved are or how inside the people are who are questioning some very disturbing facts that have recently come to light. Let me turn this around as it might be made clearer- what if it was suggested that these problems exist but some were suggested that the problems should NOT be addressed or otherwise questioned until a legal challenge arises. Do you think that is a good idea? "Only dealers with a local business license know enough to handle fish. " - passive aggressive pixie anon. Not even sure what this childish dig is supposed to even mean? I'll attempt to respond and see if I hit the mark. Every hobbyist 'handles' fish. The whole point of the BKKS health committee, the MAKCs health hot line and eventually the AKCAs KHA program was to get some experienced hobbyists within the chapter,section or club's membership to help the less experienced membership. The certification was a cute idea and a merit badge of sorts to acknowledge a job well done. It was never meant to be a professional designation for using in the world outside the AKCA club. And therein lies the problem. We KHAs are not vets, not dealers and not professional experts! Just hobbyists who have taken some courses and hopeful will education our fellow club members regarding what we learned- more a 'pay it forward' program than a professional certification. Somehow in the enthusiasum for the program and its isolation from the AKCA membership mainstream it has morphed into something the orignal members don't recognize any more. So this subculture and the rogue KHA it produces and defends is one issue. But the issue at hand at the momemt is about real tangibles- insurance, liability, potential law suits and the money allocation. Should the meanies ignore that and watch the AKCA placed ever further into risk? Who is the reasonable and mature one here- you, a cowardly anon with not enough courage or conviction to sign your own name while hurling childish 'nana, nanas' , or me, a meanie; who has nothing but logic, perspective and facts in my point of view? - JR

[MCPS Mike]

Quote: Originally Posted by JasPR no smilely faces please ms anon. it does not go with the anger and frustration you are projecting in your typed words. Lets look at your passive agressive emotional tirate--- "KHA program is so beloved by the dealers, and people in the know like you" - passive agressive anon First of I'd like to start off by saying I do not like anons. To me this is the most cowardly of tactics found on the internet boards. But I won't make this anymore personal than that. It does not matter if the KH program is 'loved' or not. These issues are important. Personally I was very up front about my feelings regarding the direction of the KHA movement. But that isn't even the issue. The program has some very real problems at the moment. No one denies that. And those issues have nothing at all to do with 'how inside' the people involved are or how inside the people are who are questioning some very disturbing facts that have recently come to light. Let me turn this around as it might be made clearer- what if it was suggested that these problems exist but some were suggested that the problems should NOT be addressed or otherwise questioned until a legal challenge arises. Do you think that is a good idea? "Only dealers with a local business license know enough to handle fish. " - passive aggressive pixie anon. Not even sure what this childish dig is supposed to even mean? I'll attempt to respond and see if I hit the mark. Every hobbyist 'handles' fish. The whole point of the BKKS health committee, the MAKCs health hot line and eventually the AKCAs KHA program was to get some experienced hobbyists within the chapter,section or club's membership to help the less experienced membership. The certification was a cute idea and a merit badge of sorts to acknowledge a job well done. It was never meant to be a professional designation for using in the world outside the AKCA club. And therein lies the problem. We KHAs are not vets, not dealers and not professional experts! Just hobbyists who have taken some courses and hopeful will education our fellow club members regarding what we learned- more a 'pay it forward' program than a professional certification. Somehow in the enthusiasum for the program and its isolation from the AKCA membership mainstream it has morphed into something the orignal members don't recognize any more. So this subculture and the rogue KHA it produces and defends is one issue. But the issue at hand at the momemt is about real tangibles- insurance, liability, potential law suits and the money allocation. Should the meanies ignore that and watch the AKCA placed ever further into risk? Who is the reasonable and mature one here- you, a cowardly anon with not enough courage or conviction to sign your own name while hurling childish 'nana, nanas' , or me, a meanie; who has nothing but logic, perspective and facts in my point of view? - JR

Beautifully well thought out and written as usual JR !

[carrie1964]

Quote: Originally Posted by Koi Slop Another nice ambassador of the judging program I see. If I'm having and "agressive emotional tirate" then you'd better check yourself young man Your attacks on the KHA program over the years have been well documented in your verbose public manner. Yet, your ego driven posts of the moment don't allow you to see it. Meeting tomorrow night. The after party should be one spoken of for years to come

Welcome to the board slop.
Why don`t you introduce yourself and let us know something about yourself, your pond and your contributions to the hobby before you start attacking the members on Bito?

[Koi Slop]

Quote: Originally Posted by KoiCop Robert H. Finnegan asked me to post this for him: The person who implied that the 'continuation' of the KHA Program was under review by the AKCA Board of Directors was flat wrong and has done a grave disservice to the AKCA, the KHA Program and the many fine folks our program has helped over the years. Only the question of liability coverage for KHA pond calls has ever been on the agenda. The Board will review that item at its meeting on Friday, May 8th. Hopefully, this sets to rest that unfounded rumor. RHF

It won't set the rumors to rest. And the delivery of the future president of AKCA's message to the Internet not via official channels, but through KoiCop and a select forum raises more questions than it answers.

-Will Bob continue to use controversial neighbor Don to deliver messages to the AKCA membership during his run as AKCA president?
-Since when has there been any liability coverage for KHA pond calls and what is the context of this proposed board discussion tomorrow?
-How is this anything more than an unfounded rumor that Bob actually wrote this considering he hardly ever/if ever gets' on the Internet, but rather listens to neighbor Don's twist of the facts as apparently being gospel?

[JasPR]

well Slop, THAT is a very disappointing response. Anons feel they can say anything they want because no one knows who they really are-- so in otherwords, they can act badly with no consequences. To me , and most shrinks, this is called 'acting out'. It never adds to the debate as it only shows the emotional side of a cowardly person, too insecure to be associated with their publicly displayed feelings. Or in other cases, just an attempt to stur the pot. in either case--Really weak, really.
So say what you like about my verbose style or ego driven rants but in my defense, I call it as I see it and am not insecure about putting my signature to my opinion.
You apparently feel that having another opinion is a bad thing. Guess what, and you can ask Spike this, I have had this/that opinion of the program from the beginning but always tired to keep an open mind to other's ideas. And guess further, every piece of warning and advise I have given Spike , which he has ignored regularly and routinely, has all come home to roost! How's this for an ego trip- I was dead right in regard to the direction I warned against. Right down to the cultural divide that now exists between the health program and the rest of the organization. The fluidity of donated funds is whole 'nother conversation. But I can tell, as a professional who makes a living in the world of charities and non profs, the funds collected for KHV research can NOT be reassigned by a board of directors and certainly not by a committee head. I know that nothing tawdry has taken place, but diversion of chartiable funds for purposes other than solicited is a serious thing. THAT needs to be readdressed.
This is what is called constructive criticism, slop. It is meant to help and not to indict, harm, impugn, undermine or judge. I know you can't see that and will read my words as masked and with some kinda hidden agenda-- but you would be wrong.
Lets just get to the resolution of the insurance issue, the funds issue and the extension/continuation of the dealer program. What's the harm in that? And we all should be mature enough to accept that others opinions are just as vailid as our own. The discussion is healthy I tell you. A room full of sycophants serves no purpose. So let the debate go on among appointed and elected officials and let's all have the maturity to live with the final decisions.
Ok, OK, NOW I'm getting verbose . JR

[Nancy M.]

Ummm koi slop... I think this pretty much verifies what koicop posted...
This was taken off the KHA forum






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Re: KHA Program
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2009, 11:37:16 PM »
Quote
All,
I received an odd message on my answering machine tonight. It was
Bob Finnegan saying that he'd heard that Karen wrote somewhere that
the AKCA was thinking about shutting down the KHA program. He went
on to say that he'd further heard that one or more KHAs were not being
allowed on this board and expressed his dissatisfaction with that "fact."
FYI, I've had trouble getting on this board but I don't think it was a
conspiracy .
He ask that I post here that he, Robert H. Finnegan, said that he had no
knowledge of the AKCA ever discussing a plan to shut down the KHA
program. So this is that post.
He said that it was up to me if I decided to post this and then said some
additional things that I couldn't completely understand so I'll not try to
post them here.
Here's my interpretation of all this (including a few other things of which
I'm aware):
There is a large and growing schism within AKCA, Board members and
others are becoming very polarized and the atmosphere is extremely
contentious.
The AKCA wants to inform the KHAs that they are not seeking to shut the
KHA program down.
And lastly, if any of you think that what's written here, stays here, I
strongly suggest that you reconsider that belief and delete any posts that
you don't want to be seen or discussed outside this forum.
Spike
« Last Edit: Today at 12:02:16 PM by Spike


Now that is funny, shame on you

[aquitori]

Quote: Originally Posted by dinh Does it matter who is she/he? But yet Tony, I want to welcome him or her on board as well.

Dinh, it doesnt matter.

[dinh]

Quote: Originally Posted by aquitori Dinh, it doesnt matter.

of course, it would be nice to know who is posting anyway...

but yes, it does not matter

[mstrseed]

Quote: Originally Posted by Koi Slop Another nice ambassador of the judging program I see. If I'm having and "agressive emotional tirate" then you'd better check yourself young man Your attacks on the KHA program over the years have been well documented in your verbose public manner. Yet, your ego driven posts of the moment don't allow you to see it. Meeting tomorrow night. The after party should be one spoken of for years to come

Hi Spike, glad your posting again....so you going to delete these post too????