'Continuation' of KHA Program . . .

[Nancy M.]

Another post I received from the KHA forum..

I am shocked by the venom in Spikes post, it reminds me of a disgruntle employee. It sounds like everyone was his good buddy, till they disagreed with him.

He also seems to try to be saying in the earlier post that Bob F. was/ is not competent, and that is pure bullchit.

I am very confused by his attitude regarding the AKCA board, I thought these people were all friends for years, now he is almost saying that they would lie or cheat...... I really can't imagine any of the board members doing any thing to harm the organization that they all love.



Cindy
Badder
Re: Insurance?
« Reply #5 on: Today at 09:18:32 AM »
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So did Burt not follow thru? The motion was made.


Spike
Cover
Re: Insurance?
« Reply #6 on: Today at 11:28:46 AM »
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The "no liability form" referred to is the Hold Harmless agreement. It
was on the old site and I suspect it's also on this new one.
There's no way to get inside anyone's head and know what going on. I
guess this may an exercise in semantics. I do know that the Board
discussed the self-insurance issue, approved the idea, documented that
(in the policies I posted), got the Hold Harmless agreement done and
made available but apparently I made the mistake of believing that this
group was as good as their word. Now we are seeing that people want to
deny the history or at least focus on only part of it.
This is getting so contentious that it simply can't continue.
Spike
« Last Edit: Today at 07:02:59 PM by Spike
Cover
Spike
Instructor

Spike
Cover
Re: Insurance?
« Reply #7 on: Today at 11:40:39 AM »
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Jump to:
Quote from: Cindy Badder on Today at 09:18:32 AM
"So did Burt not follow thru? The motion was made."
I think the answer is that no one followed thru. I apparently mistakenly
thought it was a "done deal" and nobody else caught the omission or at
least no one brought it up again until now. I think that we can judge
those involved by how they react to the current situation. Will the board
step up and admit what happened and try to make good on a promise
made? Or will they stand on formality and take the position that because
they did not "consummate" their agreement with an approved board
motion, they are not bound to honor it. Or worse yet, will they develop
amnesia about the whole issue. I suppose time will tell. I have frankly
given up on trying to predict the Board's actions.
Spike
« Last Edit: Today at 07:02:22 PM by Spike
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[Koi Slop]

Cowardly, insecure, emotional, acting out,...wow you are the objective broker from the unbiased judiciary aren't cha?
You and your gaggle of self anointed industry peeps and AKCA reps have warned that terrible old Spike of these things that you folks are precipitating indeed, How dare he try to offer advice to you and your dealer buddies through that best management practices voluntary program. He must be excoriated along with Karen and shunned from the organization as has been done with some many others. You may choke on the meat of this most recent attack on their integrity and credibility. Go ahead and lay waste to AKCA so that it can be a hollow shell organization like ZNA with the private meetings, etc., etc. meanwhile the Worldwide Koi Club flourishes and Koi Nations had greater distribution than KOI USA within three months of its first publication. Thanks should go to you I suppose as a verbose writer even for them You must have hated AKCA for writing for the competition, lol. The Koi Health Advisor Program has been in recent years one of THE most beneficial aspects of AKCA as it provides education for the maintenance of healthy koi. This has been beneficial for the hobbyists, koi and greater community that hasn't to worry so much about KHV, SVC and other such contaminated fish finding their way down storm drains from people such as yourself that run virtual flow through systems to keep your overstocked pond healthy. If giving advice to hobbyists was something AKCA should not support then they should have given you the boot long ago for all your prognostacating.

Quote: Originally Posted by JasPR well Slop, THAT is a very disappointing response. Anons feel they can say anything they want because no one knows who they really are-- so in otherwords, they can act badly with no consequences. To me , and most shrinks, this is called 'acting out'. It never adds to the debate as it only shows the emotional side of a cowardly person, too insecure to be associated with their publicly displayed feelings. Or in other cases, just an attempt to stur the pot. in either case--Really weak, really. So say what you like about my verbose style or ego driven rants but in my defense, I call it as I see it and am not insecure about putting my signature to my opinion. You apparently feel that having another opinion is a bad thing. Guess what, and you can ask Spike this, I have had this/that opinion of the program from the beginning but always tired to keep an open mind to other's ideas. And guess further, every piece of warning and advise I have given Spike , which he has ignored regularly and routinely, has all come home to roost! How's this for an ego trip- I was dead right in regard to the direction I warned against. Right down to the cultural divide that now exists between the health program and the rest of the organization. The fluidity of donated funds is whole 'nother conversation. But I can tell, as a professional who makes a living in the world of charities and non profs, the funds collected for KHV research can NOT be reassigned by a board of directors and certainly not by a committee head. I know that nothing tawdry has taken place, but diversion of chartiable funds for purposes other than solicited is a serious thing. THAT needs to be readdressed. This is what is called constructive criticism, slop. It is meant to help and not to indict, harm, impugn, undermine or judge. I know you can't see that and will read my words as masked and with some kinda hidden agenda-- but you would be wrong. Lets just get to the resolution of the insurance issue, the funds issue and the extension/continuation of the dealer program. What's the harm in that? And we all should be mature enough to accept that others opinions are just as vailid as our own. The discussion is healthy I tell you. A room full of sycophants serves no purpose. So let the debate go on among appointed and elected officials and let's all have the maturity to live with the final decisions. Ok, OK, NOW I'm getting verbose . JR

[Koi Slop]

You are such a sweet koi professional. Too bad they never seem to enforce the rule that people in the koi business can't run AKCA clubs or force their influence upon the AKCA board. Things would surely be different in this debate if it was so, but change is coming

Quote: Originally Posted by Nancy M. Another post I received from the KHA forum.. I am shocked by the venom in Spikes post, it reminds me of a disgruntle employee. It sounds like everyone was his good buddy, till they disagreed with him. He also seems to try to be saying in the earlier post that Bob F. was/ is not competent, and that is pure bullchit. I am very confused by his attitude regarding the AKCA board, I thought these people were all friends for years, now he is almost saying that they would lie or cheat...... I really can't imagine any of the board members doing any thing to harm the organization that they all love. Cindy Badder Re: Insurance? « Reply #5 on: Today at 09:18:32 AM » Quote So did Burt not follow thru? The motion was made. Spike Cover Re: Insurance? « Reply #6 on: Today at 11:28:46 AM » Quote The "no liability form" referred to is the Hold Harmless agreement. It was on the old site and I suspect it's also on this new one. There's no way to get inside anyone's head and know what going on. I guess this may an exercise in semantics. I do know that the Board discussed the self-insurance issue, approved the idea, documented that (in the policies I posted), got the Hold Harmless agreement done and made available but apparently I made the mistake of believing that this group was as good as their word. Now we are seeing that people want to deny the history or at least focus on only part of it. This is getting so contentious that it simply can't continue. Spike « Last Edit: Today at 07:02:59 PM by Spike Cover Spike Instructor Spike Cover Re: Insurance? « Reply #7 on: Today at 11:40:39 AM » Quote Jump to: Quote from: Cindy Badder on Today at 09:18:32 AM "So did Burt not follow thru? The motion was made." I think the answer is that no one followed thru. I apparently mistakenly thought it was a "done deal" and nobody else caught the omission or at least no one brought it up again until now. I think that we can judge those involved by how they react to the current situation. Will the board step up and admit what happened and try to make good on a promise made? Or will they stand on formality and take the position that because they did not "consummate" their agreement with an approved board motion, they are not bound to honor it. Or worse yet, will they develop amnesia about the whole issue. I suppose time will tell. I have frankly given up on trying to predict the Board's actions. Spike « Last Edit: Today at 07:02:22 PM by Spike Cover »Spike Instructor

[schildkoi]

Quote: Originally Posted by Koi Slop You are such a sweet koi professional. Too bad they never seem to enforce the rule that people in the koi business can't run AKCA clubs or force their influence upon the AKCA board. Things would surely be different in this debate if it was so, but change is coming

Samantha, is that you? or perhaps Dr. RD Johnson?

Steve

[carrie1964]

Quote: Originally Posted by schildkoi Samantha, is that you? or perhaps Dr. RD Johnson? Steve

You think Steve??

Yawn........Sloppy, your silly tirades get so boring after awhile. You never did tell us who you were......as if we don`t know. Get a life and please do something positive for a change, instead of trying to tear down the REAL koi hobbyists.

[RayJordan]

Quote: Originally Posted by schildkoi Samantha, is that you? or perhaps Dr. RD Johnson? Steve

Hi Steve,

It could be almost any number of sewer rats that live under the anon out house and occasionally crawl out to spew their jealous childish prattle.

[Koi Slop]

As for constructive criticism let me add some observations. How often are quorum requirements broken by the AKCA board, wherein all decisions made at such meetings are essentially extra-legal?
Where was the change in the bylaws made that allows for people on the telephone during the board meeting to be considered attending members?
And the legitimacy of a new president of the organization: When if ever to club members see the vote/proxy tally to conclude that legitimate elections have and will occur? No one is holding their breath. Those holding the proxy decide with or without club participation or approval. Readdress that bud

Quote: Originally Posted by JasPR I know that nothing tawdry has taken place, but diversion of chartiable funds for purposes other than solicited is a serious thing. THAT needs to be readdressed. This is what is called constructive criticism, slop.

[Campcheryl]

Quote: Originally Posted by Koi Slop As for constructive criticism let me add some observations. How often are quorum requirements broken by the AKCA board, wherein all decisions made at such meetings are essentially extra-legal? Where was the change in the bylaws made that allows for people on the telephone during the board meeting to be considered attending members? And the legitimacy of a new president of the organization: When if ever to club members see the vote/proxy tally to conclude that legitimate elections have and will occur? No one is holding their breath. Those holding the proxy decide with or without club participation or approval. Readdress that bud

OMG it's the troll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey does your mom know you are on the computer again?

[mstrseed]

My, my, my...........I see the dark side now...Imagine that

Timbo, Andrew............Sam..........

oh bother Pooh it's a heffalump!

[Nancy M.]

Quote: Originally Posted by Koi Slop You are such a sweet koi professional. Too bad they never seem to enforce the rule that people in the koi business can't run AKCA clubs or force their influence upon the AKCA board. Things would surely be different in this debate if it was so, but change is coming

Please explain how I am a koi professional?

Change is coming, and I think we are all in for a big surprise, but I don't think you will like the surprise..

If I was a betting person, which I am not I would bet that your ip addy comes out of Florida...

Funny you can sit and cry foul play behind your lil keyboard and monitor, but you don't have the balls to put your name....

At least everyone of us that think things need to be changed and people need to be held accountable for their actions, we use our real names. We do not need to hide, like some lil troll