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'Continuation' of KHA Program . . .

Robert H. Finnegan asked me to post this for him:

The person who implied that the 'continuation' of the KHA Program was under review by the AKCA Board of Directors was flat wrong and has done a grave disservice to the AKCA, the KHA Program and the many fine folks our program has helped over the years.

Only the question of liability coverage for KHA pond calls has ever been on the agenda.

The Board will review that item at its meeting on Friday, May 8th.

Hopefully, this sets to rest that unfounded rumor. RHF
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Thanks for posting RHF's message. I'm glad to know his concern in this matter.

Here is Jim's summary post for closing other thread. I wonder why the board will ONLY address the question of liability coverage for KHA pond calls. How about the other points?

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Topics brought up in this thread that might want to be addressed officially by the AKCA:

Why did the new head of the KHA program say to only buy from BHP certified dealers? (This was answered in this thread but I'm listing it since I am trying to sum this up for everyone.)

Was money diverted from the KHV research fund to fund the BHP program?
If yes...why? It seems that the funds donated to this were supposed to go 100% to research.

Were there any payments made to anyone working on the BHP program? Or perhaps some sort of budget breakdown on the costs related to this project?

Were the KHA's told that they had some sort of liability insurance from the the AKCA when in fact they don't? And if they don't, will they in the future?

Again I am summing up this thread as best as I see. If you think I missed something feel free to PM me.
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Robert H. Finnegan asked me to post this for him:

The person who implied that the 'continuation' of the KHA Program was under review by the AKCA Board of Directors was flat wrong and has done a grave disservice to the AKCA, the KHA Program and the many fine folks our program has helped over the years.

Only the question of liability coverage for KHA pond calls has ever been on the agenda.

The Board will review that item at its meeting on Friday, May 8th.

Hopefully, this sets to rest that unfounded rumor. RHF

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Hello KHAs!


Every winter, I wonder why I live in the North, and every spring, I remember the answer! The exuberant bursting of life from every nook and cranny is awesome, and it makes you appreciate just being alive to witness it!


I’m writing to you all to let you know about some issues that are going on behind the scenes. Spike spent years not only developing and building the KHA program, but defending it. I am now in that position, and there is much going on that may affect us.


I felt it would be prudent to make sure you were getting the facts, not just the rumors. I also want to say that neither Spike nor I are asking for any action on your part right now. We would like you to trust us to represent your interests, and we will keep you informed.


Recently some AKCA board members have asserted that the KHAs are not insured, and that the cost to do so would be prohibitive. Spike attended a meeting in 2001 where the board discussed and agreed to self-insuring KHAs. The KHA program has told the KHAs that as long as they get the Hold Harmless Agreement signed, and stay within the law, the AKCA will indemnify them. Apparently, a policy to this effect was approved but a motion to approve the agreement itself has never been passed. I know this is confusing, but the group is trying to find a solution that everyone can support.


You may also be aware that some KHAs have been seen by the board to be disloyal to AKCA for voicing criticisms of the AKCA, its committees, or its personnel. Both Spike and I have steadfastly insisted that criticism is a vital right of individuals, and so long as it is constructive, it can be a powerful force for change and improvement.


A vote to ratify or abandon the policy to self-insure will likely occur soon. I felt you should know that I am doing everything in my power to assure the continuation of the KHA program and to support AKCA and the KHAs. I am always happy to discuss any concerns you may have by phone 860-346-1335, or e-mail.

Karen


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I believe it was Karen who said that the continuation of the program was under review.
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Thanks for posting RHF's message. I'm glad to know his concern in this matter.

Here is Jim's summary post for closing other thread. I wonder why the board will ONLY address the question of liability coverage for KHA pond calls. How about the other points?

================================================== ========================
Topics brought up in this thread that might want to be addressed officially by the AKCA:

Why did the new head of the KHA program say to only buy from BHP certified dealers? (This was answered in this thread but I'm listing it since I am trying to sum this up for everyone.)

Was money diverted from the KHV research fund to fund the BHP program?
If yes...why? It seems that the funds donated to this were supposed to go 100% to research.

Were there any payments made to anyone working on the BHP program? Or perhaps some sort of budget breakdown on the costs related to this project?

Were the KHA's told that they had some sort of liability insurance from the the AKCA when in fact they don't? And if they don't, will they in the future?

Again I am summing up this thread as best as I see. If you think I missed something feel free to PM me.
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I sure hope the board will be addressing all of our concerns, and not just the insurance issue,
Are you sure? you seems to know the AKCA board better than many of us here...

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Good to know one of the most meanspirited koi hobbyists and the California dealer network are part of the network of communications for the average hobbyist looking for the straight skinny.
Maybe when things die down at the KHA program and if you guys can cause enough grief for Karen the assault on the program can resume for the benefit of the dealers

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Robert H. Finnegan asked me to post this for him:
The person who implied that the 'continuation' of the KHA Program was under review by the AKCA Board of Directors was flat wrong and has done a grave disservice to the AKCA, the KHA Program and the many fine folks our program has helped over the years.

Only the question of liability coverage for KHA pond calls has ever been on the agenda.
The Board will review that item at its meeting on Friday, May 8th.
Hopefully, this sets to rest that unfounded rumor. RHF
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ahh, the anon internet pixies are at work again! LOls JR
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ahh, the anon internet pixies are at work again! LOls JR
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KHA program is so beloved by the dealers, and people in the know like you
Only dealers with a local business license know enough to handle fish.
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KHA program is so beloved by the dealers, and people in the know like you
Only dealers with a local business license know enough to handle fish.
Who are you and welcome to the board........
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no smilely faces please ms anon. it does not go with the anger and frustration you are projecting in your typed words.

Lets look at your passive agressive emotional tirade---

"KHA program is so beloved by the dealers, and people in the know like you" - passive agressive anon

First of I'd like to start off by saying I do not like anons. To me this is the most cowardly of tactics found on the internet boards. But I won't make this anymore personal than that.
It does not matter if the KH program is 'loved' or not. These issues are important. Personally I was very up front about my feelings regarding the direction of the KHA movement. But that isn't even the issue. The program has some very real problems at the moment. No one denies that. And those issues have nothing at all to do with 'how inside' the people involved are or how inside the people are who are questioning some very disturbing facts that have recently come to light. Let me turn this around as it might be made clearer- what if it was suggested that these problems exist but some were suggesting that the problems should NOT be addressed or otherwise questioned until a legal challenge arises. Do you think that is a good idea?

"Only dealers with a local business license know enough to handle fish. "
- passive aggressive pixie anon.

Not even sure what this childish dig is supposed to even mean? I'll attempt to respond and see if I hit the mark. Every hobbyist 'handles' fish. The whole point of the BKKS health committee, the MAKCs health hot line and eventually the AKCAs KHA program was to get some experienced hobbyists within the chapter,section or club's membership to help the less experienced membership. The certification was a cute idea and a merit badge of sorts to acknowledge a job well done. It was never meant to be a professional designation for using in the world outside the AKCA club. And therein lies the problem. We KHAs are not vets, not dealers and not professional experts! Just hobbyists who have taken some courses and hopefully will education our fellow club members regarding what we learned- more a 'pay it forward' program than a professional certification. Somehow in the enthusiasm for the program and its isolation from the AKCA membership mainstream, it has morphed into something the original members don't recognize any more. So this subculture and the rogue KHA it produces and defends is one issue. But the issue at hand at the moment is about real tangibles- insurance, liability, potential law suits and the money allocation. Should the meanies ignore that and watch the AKCA placed ever further into risk?
Who is the reasonable and mature one here- you, a cowardly anon with not enough courage or conviction to sign your own name while hurling childish 'nana, nanas' , or me, a meanie; who has nothing but logic, perspective and facts in my point of view? - JR
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