Brutuscz's Response Thread To Jokes

[hacnp]

Quote: Originally Posted by kramer How about this, your argument states that because people disagree with stem cell research on a moral (religious) level they should have the right to not have their tax dollars support that research. Since the beginning of the Iraq war there has been a very large portion of Americans that found George W’s war in Iraq unfounded, unjust and a big waste of fcking money. So where was our right to say we don’t want our tax dollars spent on the Iraq war? Well just like the Vietnam War the government doesn’t give a crap what the common man thinks. So why should I, or the government give a crap what you think about abortion. Just because the church backs something the government should respect your opinions and not ours?

Americans who died fighting in the middle east were volunteers not draftees as in Vietnam. Your whining about war has nothing to do with whether your elected representatives and elected senators vote to ban funding for for a particular type of medical research. If you wish to debate the merits of American projection of power that is a very different discussion form federal funding of medical research that is influenced by legitimate religious beliefs. As to your rights to object to policy pursued by the federal goverment, they are the same as everyone else, the ballot box and contacting your elected leaders personally or thru the PAC of your choice.
If the system dissapoints that badly, go elsewhere. I recall before the 2004 election an entertainer who claimed he would move to France if Bush was reelected. Dont recall him moving tho. I will agree that one theocracy is as bad as another, be it Christian, Islamic or Jewish.
IMO religion has been at the root of at least half of the violent deaths in the last 1500 years. But for a nice counterpoint you have monsters like Stalin who killed 20 million, Mao who may have killed as many more with his great leap forward. But all we hear about is the 6 million who perished at the hands of Hitler. Did you know there is even a museum on the national mall for the holocaust? Never could figure that one out.

[Fishbreeder]

Quote: Originally Posted by Brutuscz Here is a great article on cnn today regarding stem cells to repair the heart. Am I the only one bothered by the fact that by cutting federal funding...bush delayed this type of research and treatments??? This may have been accomplished years ago and saved many lives if not for that idiot and his wife speaking out against stem cell research and funding. All to make his religous conservatives happy. Even the Reagan family begged them to support stem cell research. Sorry...zero respect for that idiot and his brain dead wife!!! I just lost my father to heart related issues. Maybe if this existed 5 yrs ago...he could have had this treatment and still been here. Bush delayed this research...so, you have respect for that moron if you want. You all know what I wish for him and his wife. Stem cell therapies for hearts inching closer to wide use CNN) -- If you've just had your first heart attack, doctors may one day be able to reverse the damage done with stem cell therapy. An intravenous method of injecting stem cells into patients who had experienced heart attacks within the previous 10 days suggested that this method works to repair -- not just manage -- heart damage, a recent study found. Stem cell therapies for hearts inching closer to wide use - CNN.com

Hmmm....

This technology was in use before Obama took office. Clandestine? I think not, being used for quite some time at the state hospital here. I'm sorry you lost your father, but perhaps he would have had a better chance in a Texan hospital for indigents than "up North" in a private hospital. All that "progressivism" up there in liberal lalaland must be stifling real work.

Do I beleive for a moment such technology should not be in use? I am happy the fetters have been removed, but there was plenty of research and use of stem cells before the savior and the second coming.

I hope and pray every single day that stem cells will be an answer for many, including my own family.

Its a dadgum shame that our first (half) Black President is such a flop. So far he's done nothing other than make a complete charlie foxtrot out of the country. He sure cannot take any credit for stem cell research. I for one have had enough. What good is it to have a friggin' genius for president if he can't do something with it, other than try and control people's lives and make his buddies rich and powerful? I'd prefer a hard working, task minded, goal accomplishing, HONEST, simpleton.

As to respect????? Obama is beneath contempt.

Brett

[Brutuscz]

Quote: Originally Posted by hacnp Americans who died fighting in the middle east were volunteers not draftees as in Vietnam. Your whining about war has nothing to do with whether your elected representatives and elected senators vote to ban funding for for a particular type of medical research. If you wish to debate the merits of American projection of power that is a very different discussion form federal funding of medical research that is influenced by legitimate religious beliefs. As to your rights to object to policy pursued by the federal goverment, they are the same as everyone else, the ballot box and contacting your elected leaders personally or thru the PAC of your choice. If the system dissapoints that badly, go elsewhere. I recall before the 2004 election an entertainer who claimed he would move to France if Bush was reelected. Dont recall him moving tho. I will agree that one theocracy is as bad as another, be it Christian, Islamic or Jewish. IMO religion has been at the root of at least half of the violent deaths in the last 1500 years. But for a nice counterpoint you have monsters like Stalin who killed 20 million, Mao who may have killed as many more with his great leap forward. But all we hear about is the 6 million who perished at the hands of Hitler. Did you know there is even a museum on the national mall for the holocaust? Never could figure that one out.

You know what? People enroll in the military to serve their country. The least they deserve is not to be put in harms way, unless it is absolutely neccesary. It is irresponsible....damn reprehensable to send them into a useless war and put their lives at risk for nothing. This is what bush did...and he is a war criminal for it.
More than 6mil died from hitler.....6million Jews..but, 20+mil russians, and millions of others. It was an attempt at genocide and eventual world domination. Stalin was an evil bastard as well...who said he was not?? History does not ignore the others.
I agree about religion...the world would be better off with no religion at all. It simply gives people a reason the separate into groups and hate each other. The world would be better off without it. Like I stated before...religion has no problem with thou shalt not kill...it is simply a question of who is doing the killing and who is getting killed!! History has always shown this to be true.


Brett, my father was down south buddy....in Florida. He had plenty of work done...a 5 artery bypass 3 yrs ago. But, it would have been nice to have another option near the end. I know some of the technology was available for these types of things. But...imagine how much further along they could have been with more funding and support. Under Clinton, they had that support....under bush..HAH!!! He had to bend to the religious right...a force for stupidity in this country and nothing more. We could get rid of them and country music while we are at it. That would also eliminate the need for nascar as well....sounds great to me

Your mind was made up about Obama before he took the oath of office...and you KNOW I am right. He has only tried to fix bush's mess. He is actually trying to improve things...where bush had his own stupid agenda that did not involve helping the average U.S. citizen one bit. Like I said before...bush left a pile of shlt and Obama is stuck holding a shovel. Put the blame where it belongs.

[luke frisbee]

Quote: Originally Posted by Fishbreeder Hmmm.... This technology was in use before Obama took office. Clandestine? I think not, being used for quite some time at the state hospital here. I'm sorry you lost your father, but perhaps he would have had a better chance in a Texan hospital for indigents than "up North" in a private hospital. All that "progressivism" up there in liberal lalaland must be stifling real work. Do I beleive for a moment such technology should not be in use? I am happy the fetters have been removed, but there was plenty of research and use of stem cells before the savior and the second coming. I hope and pray every single day that stem cells will be an answer for many, including my own family. Its a dadgum shame that our first (half) Black President is such a flop. So far he's done nothing other than make a complete charlie foxtrot out of the country. He sure cannot take any credit for stem cell research. I for one have had enough. What good is it to have a friggin' genius for president if he can't do something with it, other than try and control people's lives and make his buddies rich and powerful? I'd prefer a hard working, task minded, goal accomplishing, HONEST, simpleton. As to respect????? Obama is beneath contempt. Brett

brett,
Um just where is the kinfolk of the Bush clan from? So you're saying that Bush was a hypocrite as well...and he loved his illegal mexican brothers and their need to superior health care so he illegally allowed Some states to deliver preferred health care to its illegal population and would not allow the rest of the country in on using real science, cutting-edge health practices on another's country's population that are criminals within the USA.
Well you just painted The Bush Clan worse than i could ever have...liars or fools that don't even have their own house straight or are So pro-Spanish they marry them and control states in the USA just to provide them with health care they couldn't get in their own country...
and you say he was against stem cell research ..
Now Obama has his own self-interests as well...but at least Obama is straight up about it and not the little Weasel that Daddy Bush and his son were....
i never could figure out exactly who was the puppeteer of the Bush family. God knows they aren't bright enough to get themselves elected dog catcher so someone had to run their campaign..seems the Spanish found their Point man.
And the next thing on my list is how the hell does the American Voting population elect the Son of Bush Sr. 8 years after Bush Sr is deemed so inept by the entire USA to not deserve a shot at another four years and instead Vote an unknown from of all states ARKANSAS! I mean Bush Sr. had the bat the ball and all the bases yet was told to take all his crap and go back to TEXAS and die. Yet after 8 years under Clinton and unheralded growth and PEACE The First family of TX is able to promote the Son of the Clown to the presidency....Are you believing that?
How could the USA Citizenry possibly think that the idiot's son was the best person to be president....Well unless you believed that Bush Sr was as Maury Povich saids "..Is not the FATHER."
But after baby Bush's president we can be sure that he was the Son of Chuckie(the clown)...both of them will remain near the bottom of the list when history has its final decision...and the genetic association is sealed...
Both ran the country into the ground beating up on an unknown/unproven "Threat" in the middle-east... ?

Now who was that president that made Khadafi climb back in his hole without putting troops (blood) on the ground? hmmmmmmmmm

[HEADACHE6]

Help me out with my History


What was it that Germany (Hitler) did to us (America) that caused us to go to War with them (Hitler) ?

Thanks in advance

[Fishbreeder]

Never said I had any respect (left) for Bush. He was a much better governor than president. Gave in to liberal interests at every turn, including a losing, politically correct, war. Had he actually done the hard things (not politically correct) things might have turned out differently.

But Bush being a poor president has nothing to do with the fact that Obama is downright dishonest and has NEVER had the interest of THIS country and ITS people at heart.

And I was fairly sure that the Bush bunch were yankees. Now we do welcome yankees to Texas, but that does not make them Texans. Not the first instance of carpetbaggers 'round here.

I do not see Obama putting up an impenetrable fence along the border and kicking out the twelve million or so illegal aliens. I see him making certain they will recieve all the benefits supposedly reserved for American citizens.

And no way do I agree with the eight hundred new indidgent babies a month at the inidgent hospital, all born at TAXPAYER expense.

I do not see Obama with ANY plan to collect taxes from illegals, rather I see that "redistribution of wealth" thingy like was promoted by the likes of Marx and Lenin, two of O's best leadership examples. No, we will not see a national sales tax where everybody pays, we jsut see taxes on the EMPLOYED CITIZEN, folks who WORK for a living so that those that beleive work is beneath them do not have to do so. At least the mohados have a work ethic, and I for one am dependent upon them. Yet, I do not believe they should be exempt from taxation.

So, when I see something being actually DONE besides trying to exact more and more control over honest, hardworking people's lives, I'll say I got no respect for the man. A flop, unless you agree that we need to be "The Soviet Socialist States of North America."

I assure you The Soviet Socialist States of North America will not have koi collectors.

Brett

[zek]

Quote: Originally Posted by Brutuscz Bush gets marks for running the economy?? JR...seriously, are you living in a different country than me?? He was the biggest financial mess we have seen in the last 40yrs!! He single handedly ruined the economy...no one else to blame. Obama will do just fine...but, like others here...your mind is already made up. I believe it was made up before he took the oath of office??? I just hope when things are better at the end of his first 4 yrs...you have the good sense to admit it. Nothing wrong with admitting a mistake in judgement and voting for him the second time around

Bob, If you cannot recognize the impact Fed policy with Greenspan and Bernanke has had on the current economy we cannot even begin discussing what has happened to the economy.

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[JasPR]

Brutus , you and I could go on and on. But I'm so much a republican any more. I seem to passing into my post-partizen phase? But I do have an ideology. And it is one that favors smaller Government. Central Governemnt for me is only useful for standardizing certain things ( interstate roads, education standards, interstate commerce) and maintaining a military. The rest is up to the states, their local customs and beliefs.
But when it comes to twi subjects I get 'kinda energized'---

1) Some say the greatest trick the devil ever played on mankind was to convince him he didn't exist. In that spirit I think the most devilish thing the Dems ever did was to exploit class warfare and convincing the following that trickle down economics doesn't exist..
I'm doing, as you, kinda OK in life, financially speaking. Some might think I'm 'wealthy'. But I'm not- not really. My kid is at Columbia and that's $58,000 a year. I have the back half of a once jumbo mortgage to pay, very high taxes ( property taxes have increased 200% since I moved in.
Now when my income tax went down under previous administrations I began to protect my investing in the house by hiring trades people, landscapers and house keepers. Those individuals improved their life and spent ' my money' along with all other customers money they earned.
Now if I'm facing higher property taxes ( and I will as the dems in my county love to spend money) and my income tax goes up ( and it will as I'm one of thise evil people who makes more than $250 K and want to not share it with those in need ) and my insurance premium goes up ( and it will be taxed if the cadillac clause gets thru) and Cap and Trade tax goes thru ( the biggest con of all ) and I'm paying a 20% larger utility bill-- guess what-- the painter isn't getting hired and the two cleaning ladies will be down to one and the landscaper can start looking for a new job. My assistants get no bonus in 2010 and everyone from the restaurant owner to the new car dealer can forget about seeing me in the shops in 2010 as much.
So class warfare is about envy and having the polulus cut off their collective noses to spite their faces.
What will I do? Pretax shelter the heck out of my earnings. This means that the government will get about 60% of what they 'think' they will get and lots of people who depend on me for their fair share ( thru earning it by providing me a service) will be cut out. Total socialism-- everyone suffers equally. Only guess what, those at the bottom suffer the most as they have little wriggle room. But the liberal elitist feels better--- how twisted is that!

2) my second point--- Americans are HIGHLY confused about the difference between HIGH income and actual WEALTH. MANY people/families have a six figure income these days. BUT very few are wealthy! In truth, many six figure income folks are leveraged to the eye balls ( just look at the statistics on jumbo late payment mortgages).
So as Amercia does , in effect, what the banks and corporations are already doing, and that is deleveraging, and as credit limits/lines contract to more reasonable risk levels, wealth in America is becoming more scare. Yet the cash flow stays high leaving only the 'hope of wealth'. But is it wealth when even the 200K a year couple is really an indentured slave to mortgage, home equity loan, credit cards and car leases?
Mr O is playing with fire as is our current congress.

The prospects for a double dip recession ( as we had in the 70s and ten early 80s ) is very real . JR

[Eugeneg]

I do not see Obama with ANY plan to collect taxes from illegals, rather I see that "redistribution of wealth" thingy like was promoted by the likes of Marx and Lenin, two of O's best leadership examples. No, we will not see a national sales tax where everybody pays, we jsut see taxes on the EMPLOYED CITIZEN, folks who WORK for a living so that those that beleive work is beneath them do not have to do so. At least the mohados have a work ethic, and I for one am dependent upon them. Yet, I do not believe they should be exempt from taxation.

So, when I see something being actually DONE besides trying to exact more and more control over honest, hardworking people's lives, I'll say I got no respect for the man. A flop, unless you agree that we need to be "The Soviet Socialist States of North America."

I assure you The Soviet Socialist States of North America will not have koi collectors.

Brett[/QUOTE]
What can I say other than you and BOB have not got a clue what it is all
about. In fact if you read Lenings work he predicted the crash of 29 in the year 1916. His point was that moving capital around could interfere with the productivity that creates capital. Others have since made the same point.
The current crash can be compared to the one in Japan but it is much bigger and it has taken 20 years to recover in Japan.
This recession was caused by a lot of factors world wide such as the diffrence in incomes between rich and poor nations. And that there has been a dramatic shift in incomes away from the middle class again around the world. It is the middle class that drives the economy
It was a dramatic change in the nineties as intrest rates fell most could not cover inflation with their savings so their money as well as pensions
went in to mutual founds. It happened because central banks gave way
to powerfull stock market players who influenced the Federal Reserve to keep the intrest rates low. So the middle class borrowed to spend and lost a large part of their pensions. They simply do not have the money to spend more.
Nothing has changed so things will stay the same. One thing for sure you can not trust financial institutions. I never buy stocks that do not pay a dividend.
As to president Bush he was highly influenced by the finacial sector and President Obama can do little about the situation untill may be the world financial sector is restructured.
Regards
Eugene

[zek]

JR,

The only thing I would question is whether the double dip may be more like 31 & 37. The 37 depression was purely gov't driven.

Credit based recessions are difficult to "grow" out of. I think it's fairly clear we cannnot add additional debt and expect a good result?