will the underwear bomber end a presidency?

[JasPR]

No thanks, I belonged to that when I was a kid. Lost interest a long time ago when those organizations were taken over by the activists.
Check out some of the promoters of the Global warming hoax, some are biologists. In fact the whole Polar bear extinction thing and the listing of same as ' An endanged species' is part of that biologist/ environmentalist push on global warming. It takes a village of many scientific fields to built a hoax, it seems? JR

[JasPR]

As Jeff points out, in the liberal world black is black and white is white and nothing exists in-between. In his personal snide remark towards me, I'm a 'penny stock' salesman. And I'm similar to a famous New Jersey conman ( the madoff of his day) who did commercials climbing into a helicopter ( much like the retail broker from that arizona chain does on the commercials today). So the man was a criminal who hawked penny stocks and that is how Jeff would like to diminish me, my credibility and character.
here is what I do--- I manage portfolios for trusts and charities. And I specialize in fixed income securities ( 30 years ) . When I have a normal year ( 'normal' is only a 5% - 7 % return with a rare double digit return only once in a great while. I've had only two negative years in the last twenty years and they were - 3.64% and - .079%) the funds are then used to pay professionals, administration, board, staff and overhead and the rest goes to charity. Last year I generated $20,800,000 for charitable distribution. That's twenty million dollars to reduce disease, suffering, education and fund research. Now I'm sure that Jeff's $100 donation to the wild life fund does some good--- but then again, I'm not sure?
I've actually found this to be common in life-- the liberal talks and intoxicates himself with the sound of his own kind words. the rest of us simply apply ourselves. It's called self actualization, not activism. Progressives can't quite get their heads around that idea as they don't trust anyone or anything other than their collective ideas.

I know a biologist as one who studies the polar bear for it's habits and physiology. As such, I have learned from serious biologists that polar bears are the supreme predator of the northern polar cap regions of the world. I've learned that they are solitary hunters and great roamers. They hunt the ice packs and ice bridges of the great north tracking seal and other mammals of the regions. They are efficient predators and kill seal easily when the hunt has been well planned, which involves stalking, and surprise attacks. Even cold water whales can be observed with polar bear claw marks/scars on their heads and bodies- proof of the aggressiveness of the giant predator ( it is the largest bear with Kodiak, a Grizzle form, being just slightly smaller) In fact it is the largest/heaviest land predator. I've learned that this species actually shuns the lower areas of Alaska and the straits as the region gives way to the great Kodiak bear and Grizzle. I've learned that this nomadic life of hunting in the frigid north has carved a unique physiology for this species. The hair is water proof and the shafts of hair are hollow and serves for insulation and helps with heat retention. I've learned that these bears have webbed toes for swimming ( they are semi aquatic while in the hunting phase ) and also have 'built in googles' as the third eye lid acts as a water proofing lens while diving for prey and swimming from ice berg to ice berg where it will hunt for seals and small species of whales who come up thru the openings to express air from the blow hole ( in the case of a whale) or bask in the sun in the case of a seal. Indeed a very specialize super predator. I've also learned that due to little hunting by man in those isolated regions and an increase in prey, the numbers of polar bears are three times what they were 90 years ago.

Contrast this biology lesson with that of the modern nature magazine--The activist prapoganda magazines tell the public thru words and pictures that those ' who care' have worked to put the polar polar on the endangered species list. They show pictures of polar bears 'trapped' on ice flows. Trapped and helpless! ( Idoits) And due to man and cars!( complete idiots) And they show endless pictures of baby polar bear cubs huddled together like straving ethopian children. Some how suffering, chilled and frightened, due to that evil man. Meanwhile the odds of those cubs being killed and eaten by their 'father' are seriously higher than from a guy in New Jersey selling 'penny stocks". And jeff, these are biologists telling the moon eyed reader that these are biological facts! Not a strained point of view, but facts! Long gone is the celebrity biologist who could transfer his/her excitment for the animals themselves, their life cycles and unique characteristics/behaviors in the wild. Instead, they are now props for activists to either block land development, control emotions or push a social environmentalist agenda. They're not even real conservationists. But rather exploiters of emotions in order to accomplish a greater agenda.
Today Obama is attempting to co-op 13 million arces for 'monuments'. This is of course, a ploy to take this region's acres away from coal and mineral development. It is also a politcial pay off to the extreme activist in order to cut back the sources of energy we have in our country ( just as anwr was blocked). very dishonest. But the ends justify the means right Brutus! And all of this is in favor of a 'toy energy sources'. The car that runs on pixie dust is not coming boys.

Nope, I'm not a penny stock salesman. But I have some biologist training and I'm a conservationist at heart. O, and I'm educated so immune to activist propaganda and assorted baloney. JR

[carrie1964]

God, please make this stop!!!! I simply cannot believe this thread is still going on.

I uncovered my pond yesterday(not by choice) my 100 pound 11 year old weim tryed to walk out on the solar cover to get a bird that was stuck. I was home alone but manged to get him out without both of us drowning!

I was pleased with how great my koi looked and how much their bodies had improved even over the winter. Thought I`d come over here and post some pics......... but alas......

"I've actually found this to be common in life-- the liberal talks and intoxicates himself with the sound of his own kind words. the rest of us simply apply ourselves. It's called self actualization, not activism. Progressives can't quite get their heads around that idea as they don't trust anyone or anything other than their collective ideas. "

That and several other veiled insults from JR towards anyone that doesn`t think like him, made me realize once again, it`s simply not worth my time.

Ya'll have fun!!

[JasPR]

O boy , some koi judge is soon to be on someone's face book page? ! LOLs

I have one perscription for you--- if you are looking for kindred spirits who are also looking to chat about uncovering of koi ponds, get on over to the koi board?! This is the outside and this is a thread I started. You are not required to read it! Or even look at it! In fact, I suspect the reader doth protest too much. Politics is not a thing to be discussed in polite public forums-- wait-- polite public forums other than congress! No wait--- other than congress and TV. No wait, other than congress, TV and certain churches. No wait, Congress, TV, churches --- wait-- I forgot radio--- or an editorals in the newspapers-- no wait, I'm wrong--- it's ---- ( taking a deep breath) Congress, TV, radio, newspaper editorials, churches and cocktail parties. Ooops I forgot barber shops and beauty palors. And bars-- can't forget bars. Or local town halls--- Tell you what, I'll put together a list and get back to you and try very hard to leave the internet out of the list that is free to discuss political point of views ( but I have to say, it might be a bit late as I think there is some political discussion on the internet already?) --- only if you want of course!

Chill out face book gal, It's only people chatting and I only give as I get --- unless I don't like you, and not to worry, I like you. I know your emotions and heart are in the right place. JR

[carrie1964]

JR,
As I said last time, the only reason you(and actually no names were used) were even brought up on my Facebook page, was because a gay couple who I SENT to this board for good information , happened open your post about gay families. They have adopted two children of color. (I`m sure that is an issue for you as well) With your interest in "imprinting" and such.

It was quite offensive to both of them , as I had told Eric there where some great experts here. I was simply voicing my solidarity for my personal friends, in a PRIVATE place. Little did I know that some little weasel trying to get brownie points would tattle. LOL Amazing.......
I hope they got the brownie points they were looking for!

I was going to remove the "suspect" from my friends list, but since what I say in private to my "friends" is so interesting, to so many , I decided to leave them on there.

Soooo, not to worry. You won`t be mentioned today or any other day.

Thanks for your advice. I`ll probably take it. As I have pretty much phased myself out of the hobby and commited social suicide by disagreeing with the wrong people.(When three of my best, personal koi friends were attacked) Loyalty is a quality I value highly, in myself and others.
I have a pond full of great koi.......GC`s.....probably not. But nice none the less. After May, it will become a "private" collection. Never to be seen again.

As I have said, I don`t have the stomcah for this......

But you all carry on

[Fishbreeder]

Aw, come on Carrie,

Don't you see that Larry, Jeff, JR, Bob, and even me an' Luke are right on the edge of fixing all the world's troubles?

I wouldn't take what is in this thread too seriously. The IMPORTANT stuff is over on the fishing thread.......

Now somebody goes and tries to unilaterally restrict access to fishing in Texas, THAT is reason to secede, revolt, or otherwise "toss the rotters out."

Election day is coming, and I for one can hardly wait. Let me see now, I can take a lesson from my daze in Crockett......pretend I can't read and write, say I live in the woods and have no ID and let the church bus from Houston take me to all five polling stations so I can make my vote really count. It'll still work, but not for long. The law here is about to change, you will actually have to present a form of valid ID in order to vote, and you'll only be allowed to vote once, as it will be verifiable.

BTW, I've learned a lot since reading your postings about Section 8 housing. Galveston would be HAPPY to have that instead of what they are getting. It seems Section 8 housing is actually on the tax rolls and contributes to the community, whereas the proposed government housing complex will not be Section 8, will not be on the tax rolls, and will require additional taxes from the local citizens (once built at federal expense) to maintain. That in light of the fact that tax revenues there are down by 30% since the hurricane, necessitating a huge tax increase to support all that. Galveston never truly recovered from the 1900 storm, it is really heading to a ghost town now. Take away the businesses, put up non-taxable government housing, and nobody left to pay for it all, what then? My shop owner friends are moving to the Hill Country. That will mean about 8 less jobs and around $150,000 less in taxes just for them leaving, and many more are doing the same. Stop the income from fishing (other, important thread) boats, and nothing left. Hotels condos, etc. shutting down, more lost jobs, etc. I hear American General is leaving the island (2nd largest employer) the school dropped from 5A to 4A, and now they say to a 3A, and the state hospital (largest employer) is looking to move to the mainland, especially if/when the large government housing complex gets rebuilt with its drug dealers, panhandlers, muggers, robbers, etc. preying on hospital employees like they did before the storm. By comparison, a well planned and managed Section 8 complex looks very good indeed. A place like Galveston needs help from people like you. They do not need anymore liberal politicians telling them what to do and spending their money for them. Election day is coming there too.....town hall meeting last night, the electorate was there, and they now know who to vote for.

Brett

[Eugeneg]

[QUOTE=Fishbreeder;155301]Aw, come on Carrie,

Don't you see that Larry, Jeff, JR, Bob, and even me an' Luke are right on the edge of fixing all the world's troubles?

I wouldn't take what is in this thread too seriously. The IMPORTANT stuff is over on the fishing thread.......

Now somebody goes and tries to unilaterally restrict access to fishing in Texas, THAT is reason to secede, revolt, or otherwise "toss the rotters out."

We have had slot limits shortened seasons as well as ice fishing for lake trout limited to two weeks. Now after five years my wife can tell me to go out and cach a lake trout for dinner once more. We need regulation that is enforced and especially for water pollution. Unfortunatly it has to be done by some form of governament. Which means regulation.
Regulation is also needed in the business world.
As to the world problems it is a matter of taxation that has not been collected. I remember President Obama saying that he would impose
higher taxes on over $200g and looking up on the internet finding that
there were only 750,000 that made over 200g
Everyone is going to have to pay and the sooner the less for the grandchildren to pay.
Regards
Eugene

[jeffcopeland]

YouTube - First Jersey Securities Commercial (1985)


JR, I bet you haven't seen this one in a while!

[Brutuscz]

Quote: Originally Posted by JasPR As Jeff points out, in the liberal world black is black and white is white and nothing exists in-between. In his personal snide remark towards me, I'm a 'penny stock' salesman. And I'm similar to a famous New Jersey conman ( the madoff of his day) who did commercials climbing into a helicopter ( much like the retail broker from that arizona chain does on the commercials today). So the man was a criminal who hawked penny stocks and that is how Jeff would like to diminish me, my credibility and character. Jr...glad to see your having fun here. But, I am begining to believe you enjoy the smell of your own crap. The liberal, black and white world?? I guess we all can't be as open minded as the conservatives?? You know...the people who still question darwins theories and call abortion murder?? The ones who fight gay marriage and proper usage of embryonic stem cells??? Please...spare us the bullsh!t JR. Yeah...real open minded those conservatives. Get real...you don't even realize how ridiculous you sound at this point. At least this liberal can say the jury is out on global warming. You, on the other hand, simply know it all. Doesn't matter that there are plenty of independant studies...the conservative simply knows better. Then give us an example from a "scientist" who is funded by big oil. Time to see the conservatives for the self serving tools that they have always been. Seriously, I know it's hard for a guy who voted for bush...but, time to get real. here is what I do--- I manage portfolios for trusts and charities. And I specialize in fixed income securities ( 30 years ) . When I have a normal year ( 'normal' is only a 5% - 7 % return with a rare double digit return only once in a great while. I've had only two negative years in the last twenty years and they were - 3.64% and - .079%) the funds are then used to pay professionals, administration, board, staff and overhead and the rest goes to charity. Last year I generated $20,800,000 for charitable distribution. That's twenty million dollars to reduce disease, suffering, education and fund research. Now I'm sure that Jeff's $100 donation to the wild life fund does some good--- but then again, I'm not sure? I've actually found this to be common in life-- the liberal talks and intoxicates himself with the sound of his own kind words. the rest of us simply apply ourselves. It's called self actualization, not activism. Progressives can't quite get their heads around that idea as they don't trust anyone or anything other than their collective ideas. Rest of us...you really are losing it. Plenty of liberals donating money...and plenty of liberals donating time. I have done both and so has my wife...so, give it a rest. I can currently think of two of my liberal friends, who just got back from haiti. One is setting up an amputee clinic, and the other was assisting medical patients in any way she knew how. Your statement is idiocy...truly embarassing yourself now. The only one intoxicating himself here is you, with your inflated sense of self importance and ego. The ignorance of your generalization displays what I have always suspected. That you are not on any higher level of intelligence than the average nascar watching, gun toting conservative. Maybe you should be discussing your views with joe the plumber...he is closer to your level. YEs JR...the conservatives do all the good in the world Get fluckin real. That is why the world celebrated when the republicans were thrown out of the white house on the last election...because they do so much good. They celebrated bush by throwing shoes at him and calling him a dog!! I cannot even believe the level of delusion you have going on in your head, to write something so false...and so damn stupid. I know a biologist as one who studies the polar bear for it's habits and physiology. As such, I have learned from serious biologists that polar bears are the supreme predator of the northern polar cap regions of the world. I've learned that they are solitary hunters and great roamers. They hunt the ice packs and ice bridges of the great north tracking seal and other mammals of the regions. They are efficient predators and kill seal easily when the hunt has been well planned, which involves stalking, and surprise attacks. Even cold water whales can be observed with polar bear claw marks/scars on their heads and bodies- proof of the aggressiveness of the giant predator ( it is the largest bear with Kodiak, a Grizzle form, being just slightly smaller) In fact it is the largest/heaviest land predator. I've learned that this species actually shuns the lower areas of Alaska and the straits as the region gives way to the great Kodiak bear and Grizzle. I've learned that this nomadic life of hunting in the frigid north has carved a unique physiology for this species. The hair is water proof and the shafts of hair are hollow and serves for insulation and helps with heat retention. I've learned that these bears have webbed toes for swimming ( they are semi aquatic while in the hunting phase ) and also have 'built in googles' as the third eye lid acts as a water proofing lens while diving for prey and swimming from ice berg to ice berg where it will hunt for seals and small species of whales who come up thru the openings to express air from the blow hole ( in the case of a whale) or bask in the sun in the case of a seal. Indeed a very specialize super predator. I've also learned that due to little hunting by man in those isolated regions and an increase in prey, the numbers of polar bears are three times what they were 90 years ago. Contrast this biology lesson with that of the modern nature magazine--The activist prapoganda magazines tell the public thru words and pictures that those ' who care' have worked to put the polar polar on the endangered species list. They show pictures of polar bears 'trapped' on ice flows. Trapped and helpless! ( Idoits) And due to man and cars!( complete idiots) And they show endless pictures of baby polar bear cubs huddled together like straving ethopian children. Some how suffering, chilled and frightened, due to that evil man. Meanwhile the odds of those cubs being killed and eaten by their 'father' are seriously higher than from a guy in New Jersey selling 'penny stocks". And jeff, these are biologists telling the moon eyed reader that these are biological facts! Not a strained point of view, but facts! Long gone is the celebrity biologist who could transfer his/her excitment for the animals themselves, their life cycles and unique characteristics/behaviors in the wild. Instead, they are now props for activists to either block land development, control emotions or push a social environmentalist agenda. They're not even real conservationists. But rather exploiters of emotions in order to accomplish a greater agenda. Today Obama is attempting to co-op 13 million arces for 'monuments'. This is of course, a ploy to take this region's acres away from coal and mineral development. It is also a politcial pay off to the extreme activist in order to cut back the sources of energy we have in our country ( just as anwr was blocked). very dishonest. But the ends justify the means right Brutus! And all of this is in favor of a 'toy energy sources'. The car that runs on pixie dust is not coming boys. Nope, I'm not a penny stock salesman. But I have some biologist training and I'm a conservationist at heart. O, and I'm educated so immune to activist propaganda and assorted baloney. JR

The ends justifies the means was YOUR justification for bush's lies as they related to the iraq war. But, when it is thrown back in your face, you don't seem to handle it very well. You want dishonest...look up bush/cheney. They were the best at it. If you don't believe it..I have some nuclear material from africa to sell you

[Fishbreeder]

[QUOTE=Eugeneg;155306]

Quote: Originally Posted by Fishbreeder Aw, come on Carrie, Don't you see that Larry, Jeff, JR, Bob, and even me an' Luke are right on the edge of fixing all the world's troubles? I wouldn't take what is in this thread too seriously. The IMPORTANT stuff is over on the fishing thread....... Now somebody goes and tries to unilaterally restrict access to fishing in Texas, THAT is reason to secede, revolt, or otherwise "toss the rotters out." We have had slot limits shortened seasons as well as ice fishing for lake trout limited to two weeks. Now after five years my wife can tell me to go out and cach a lake trout for dinner once more. We need regulation that is enforced and especially for water pollution. Unfortunatly it has to be done by some form of governament. Which means regulation. Regulation is also needed in the business world. As to the world problems it is a matter of taxation that has not been collected. I remember President Obama saying that he would impose higher taxes on over $200g and looking up on the internet finding that there were only 750,000 that made over 200g Everyone is going to have to pay and the sooner the less for the grandchildren to pay. Regards Eugene

I forgot to say Eugene is workin' at fixin' the world's troubles also.

Now I'm all for regulation, as long as it is applied and enforced in some sort of a fair and reasonable manner. Not like what I see in front of my face every single day.

When the gooberment regulators apply the same rules to Formosa Plastics, Monsanto and Dow as they want to enforce on me, a friend with a small foundry and another friend with a paint shop, even though my friends and I have no money to pay a lobbyist, I'm all in.

When the governments of China, Israel, Venezuela and even Canada (as well as all other countries) enforce the same rules on their manufacturers, farmers and other producers as those in the US must contend with, I'm for it.

As to taxes, I'm all in with a national sales tax. Tax folks on what they spend, not what they earn. Tax illegal aliens as well as citizens, on what they spend, not earn, in this country. Sure, have a sliding sales tax scale where an economy car is taxed at a lower rate than a luxury yacht. But tax on spendings not earnings. Tax the working poor, tax the welfare recipients, tax the wealthy, tax them all, on what they spend, not what they earn. I'll support that.

But try and tell me that I need to pay a higher percentage of what I earn in taxes than the next guy, no matter how much or little either of us works to earn, no way. If not a sales tax, then a flat tax. A wage earner making $8 an hour pays the same 20% as the banker making $8 million a year. Fine with me.

But say because I went to college and worked hard to make a better wage than my neighbor who played around, and finally got a low paying job because he had no gumption to get educated or work at making a good wage, that I must pay more of what I earn than he does, absolutely not.

Now if I spend more than he does, fine I pay more tax. But if we spend the same we are taxed the same. Alternatively take the same percentage from both.

Fair is fair, convoluted and asking the person who works to make more to pay a higher rate, that is not fair.

Brett