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    Is 'socialism' the case for the decline or koi in the UK?

    Is socialism the cause for the decline of koi in the UK?
    cancelled due to lack of interest---- JR

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    [QUOTE=JasPR;195605]Is socialism the cause for the decline of koi in the UK?
    cancelled due to lack of interest--- JR

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    That is a distinct possibility.

    Today, we are all paying a very high price for the sheer stupidity of ever electing Bliar and his accomplice Brown to run the country. I cannot think of a single thing they were responsible for in the ten years or so, that was or will be GOOD for the nation as a whole. Bliar has done well for himself since leaving office of course, rapidly climbing our `rich list`thanks to his books and `speeches`, and his wife has risen from a humble solicitor to become one of our top high court judges.

    They decided that our society was apparently not `multi-cultural` enough for their liking, so flung open the gates at immigration and let everyone who wanted to, come in. These people all needed money to live on and houses to live in, so of course that was provided immediately, no question about it.

    The crime rate has rocketted, and we now have thousands of people that ought to be deported back to their homelands after they receive slapped wrists or had a telling off, that we cannot because it might `infringe their human rights`. (eu regs)

    Give me strength!!!!!!!!!!

    Not much spare cash left over for hobbies once the essentials are paid for, so I can see how the koi hobby could be affected.

    Chris

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    Chris, can you describe to us Yanks what the austerity economy is like? Unemployment rates, pay cuts for public workers, tax increases etc? JR

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    I'd be interested to hear a little more too Chris. Our news reporting on this side of the pond is pretty thin most days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaBear View Post
    I'd be interested to hear a little more too Chris. Our news reporting on this side of the pond is pretty thin most days.
    Larry, our main stream media won't even tell us the truth about OUR economy, do you really think they will share the problems of Europe's socialist systems with us-- just when our president is trying to give us the same kind of system? It took the progressives a LONG time to get into this level of power and in two years they have lost their grip on absolute power in the congress. It is said timing is everything. And the progressives were so thrilled they finally got to drive the bus. But due to circumstance and economic reality, it seems their moment will slip away from them and we will not become "France- west" in the Obama dream turned sleepless night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaBear View Post
    I'd be interested to hear a little more too Chris. Our news reporting on this side of the pond is pretty thin most days.
    Larry we are on the same side of the pond and very well informed. Just received my issue of Canadian Business. Quite an article on The death of US capitalism. Will give you some direct quates;
    The US once viewed as the model for a mixed market is increasingly held captive by avarice of private intrests.
    It gives example of Goldman Sachs and the financial services industry lobying for lower levels of regulation and taxation. Moving business elswere
    when they did not get what they wanted. In 2008 , Goldman paid just $14 million on revenues of $1.4 billion a 1% tax rate. ( Even Greece collects more) Yet when the sub prime bubble bust Goldman was there to collect billions in taxpayer handouts.
    Wall mart has revenues higher than the GDP of all but 25 of the world countries. Black Rock controls $3.3 Trillion in assets more than the national reserves of any country. Globalization has weakened the state and led to the rise of corporate superpowers.
    Other markets are growing faster, they are combating inequality more effectively rater than increasing it, they are protecting their people against the volatility of the modern marketplace more competantly.
    Hope this helps
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugeneg View Post
    Larry we are on the same side of the pond and very well informed. Just received my issue of Canadian Business. Quite an article on The death of US capitalism. Will give you some direct quates;
    The US once viewed as the model for a mixed market is increasingly held captive by avarice of private intrests.
    It gives example of Goldman Sachs and the financial services industry lobying for lower levels of regulation and taxation. Moving business elswere
    when they did not get what they wanted. In 2008 , Goldman paid just $14 million on revenues of $1.4 billion a 1% tax rate. ( Even Greece collects more) Yet when the sub prime bubble bust Goldman was there to collect billions in taxpayer handouts.
    Wall mart has revenues higher than the GDP of all but 25 of the world countries. Black Rock controls $3.3 Trillion in assets more than the national reserves of any country. Globalization has weakened the state and led to the rise of corporate superpowers.
    Other markets are growing faster, they are combating inequality more effectively rater than increasing it, they are protecting their people against the volatility of the modern marketplace more competantly.
    Hope this helps
    Regards
    Eugene

    ask 200 million Chinese if their lives are better? It cracks me up that I can ask a 'Eugene' or a 'Brutus' if they are for 'world health' or 'world peace' or world without carbon dioxide or a world where rich countries took care of poor third world countries and they would be nodding their heads like bobble dolls on a pick up truck dash board! But if I said 'world corporations' they would cry and stomp their tiny little liberal feet!

    'World' pharma has given billions to Africa for AIDS and other disease efforts. 'World' auto has made cars cheaper and more available to the third world through competition. 'World' food combines feed the world. A 'world' oil market keeps oil prices down based on supply and demand. and so on.
    Banking is unique and I'm all for putting back in place 'glass stegall' to keep banking from risk taking-- but that is a unique situation as government tax payer money gurantees their risk. In the others subsidies come in the form of tax breaks and can be changed with the stroke of a pen by the IRS and congress.
    The introduction of a EURO currency is the move towards world government- or at least an entity to fight off the NAFTA trade zone and the great Asian Tiger trade zone. But without fiscal AND monitary policy combined you see what is happening. I'm not necessarily for it, but you can't stop globalization no sooner than you can stop the compuer and cell phones from changing society-- they are all here to stay. Me I miss the horse and buggy!

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    Anyone like to venture a guess how many koi dealers there were in the UK in 1994 and how many are in business today in the UK? JR

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasPR View Post
    Chris, can you describe to us Yanks what the austerity economy is like? Unemployment rates, pay cuts for public workers, tax increases etc? JR

    I think we have some pretty turbulent times ahead.

    As of the March figures, 8.4% or 2.67 million people are registered as being unemployed overall, which is the highest rate since 1995. Youth unemployment is given as being 22.5% or 1.05 million the highest since records began in 1992. City jobs were down last month by 8% in financial jobs advertised, 57% over the year, with average pay down 10%

    More than 30,000 health service workers and 71,000 in education were among more than a quarter of a million public sector staff who lost their jobs in 2011 as the austerity started to bite. No wage/salary increases since 2010. ( The cynical among us MIGHT say that all the conservative government are doing here is trying to slash some of the thousands of `red tape jobs` that the Bliar/brown labour government `made` while they were in power, but not me. )

    Teachers are among others in the public sector unhappy at proposed changes to their very generous `goldplated` pension plans. They are to be asked to make higher contributions to their plans, more in line with the private sector, and to accept that the retirement age will be rising to 68. Teachers are also not very happy at plans to make it far easier to get rid of useless teachers, with the union saying yesterday that they would not be afraid to call for strike action if the government dont change their minds.

    Thousands of lorry drivers are reported to be preparing to join a planned strike action by fuel tanker drivers to bring Britain to a standstill within a month. Truckers plan to blockade oil refinaries, and are aiming to cause gridlock on the entire motorway/main road system to prevent the governments plan to move petrol and diesel around the country using army personel.

    That`ll have to do for now, my brain hurts. Wish I had learnt to cut/paste.

    Chris

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