An Answer to BB's dilemmas? - Taken outside

[gregbickal]

Now why did this darn thread have to start out with me as the first post

Mullets get no respect Im a rebel, oh yeah, will girls like me if im a "bad boy". Man I gotta get me a motorcycle

[Valarc]

George,
Stephen takes a massive loss on koiphen - no one pays him for any of the advertisements he allows on the site. His bandwidth bills alone are absurd. He also gives a lot away personally to members. Your constant conspiracy theory insinuations are getting ridiculous.

Greg,
A multitude of boards is a GOOD thing - heck it gives you the option to have somewhere to go when you get banned for something

So I'm not completely off-topic, I think charging for the forum is a bad idea. However, you could do a "premium" member sort of thing - maybe offer a little web space to post pictures/videos, or allow access to a NON PROFESSIONAL traders forum for premium members to sell off their old gear.

[junglegeorge12]

I was simply expressing why I prefer this board to others. If you believe what you just wrote val, about stephen only taking losses, I truly feel sorry for you. I also have some good land under water I want to sell you....

are you his banker now as well??? and I thought you were just one of his pigeons

[Valarc]

I'm always glad to see your departure from reality is a universal trait, and not just limited to the miracles of FIR.

Maybe the folks whose best fish in their pond was given to them by Stephen are all lying to me too. Maybe the folks reading copies of expensive koi books given to them by Stephen are lying too. Maybe we're ALL his pidgeons and it's a big conspiracy to fool you.

You sit here and say I'm a fool for believing his site operates at a loss. Show me the proof. Demonstrate his income stream. Not stupid fantasy accusations, real facts only please. Oh wait, you haven't said anything factual since you've gotten here. One of these days I'm going to gain the willpower to stop responding to your trolls.

You can call Stephen a lot of things - like me he's certainly opinionated and not afraid to speak his mind. But he is also an incredibly generous man, and you're just bitter because your little whiner butt was kicked off his board for threatening to contact my supervisor and personally threatening me in other ways, because I showed what an idiot you are. You kept saying I would lose my reputation in science because of the things I said - the things you constantly accuse him of are borderline slanderous, and the only good thing is you are SUCH an idiot that I don't think there's a person left who believes the stuff you spout, so there's no real worry of it harming him in any way.

[koifishgirl]

Boom, you know on another board a lawsuit came about out of talk like this. I think you guys need to calm down before this gets out of hand. Just let it drop and use self control I mean really, some of the best member on the board left because of the beatings they keep getting. Its not worth it guys make up and be friends, life is to short to fight.

[Valarc]

Ill let it drop as soon as he ceases the attacks against a guy who's done a lot to help this hobby.

If you want to attack Stephen over issues you fought with him for, that's at least understandable - making baseless claims about him making a profit from his board and accusing him of lying is BS and needs to stop.

I don't care if people keep calling me Stephen's lapdog - the guy has provided a board with a wealth of information and has shared a buttload of his own money to help people in this hobby - I don't care how much of an eccentric jerk he can be sometimes, he deserves some thanks for the contributions he's made. He certainly doesn't deserve to be accused of the things "junglegeorge" accuses him of.

[junglegeorge12]

valarc, I have had it with you- first off, my original post mentioned no names, and I was not referring solely to stephen

second-I don't have a problem departing from reality or with conspiracy theories, yet you seem to repeatedly like to throw out personal insults designed to hurt my reputation and feelings. Quite frankly, I am starting to think you are demonpossessed. Even folks who used to be your friend are sick of it. Noone, including me, wants to get on here and read your childish rants about me.

You have turned two threads in the last day into personal assaults on me, when what I posted was on topic, and true, and in no way directed at you. I know you are trying to bait and anger me, it's your sick little style. I did not mention you in my posts prior to any of your sick assaults on me.

If you want to fight, then come down here and let's do it. Otherwise, leave me alone. Just assume if I post it was not for you, so you have no need to respond.

The truth is stephen banned me because I told him he needed to apply his rules fairly, and sent him copies of 83 of your posts that were direct insults at me or others, something the rules in his forum explicitly disallows. I told him if he was going to ban tewa and not an abusive person like you, he should shut it down. He chose to apply his rules unjustly and is suffering the consequences for that, as he should.

Stephen has banned many people unfairly, has tried to manipulate 'free contests', and lies all day long to get his selfish little way. That is what rich spoiled brats do. Like you, he has no respect for others or for ways of thinking other than his own. Everyone has known that about him for a while, it's not new news.

I told him if he was going to allow a sick jerk like you to insult and bully others around he should shut his site down. As well, your delusions about me threatening you, are just that. What I stated was someone who throws out insults at others like you do will eventually destroy himself. If you consider me emailing your posts to your supervisor a threat, then you must be admitting there is something very wrong about your posts towards me. I still stand by both of those statements.


And I am going to ask this in public, to you and Brian. I am sick of the personal attacks by you, valarc, on me, and want them to stop. You have pulled the same agressive and hateful posting style towards me on every board I have been on for almost three months. You obviously have problems upstairs and should seek help for them, noone else finds it nescessary to deride me like you do. So since the problem is clearly between your ears, I am asking Brian to do whatever is needed to make it stop.

This thread was about how to help this board stay afloat. The ideas I posted are proven business tactics and will work for everyone. I like this board, and the moderator, and want to see it stay and be successful. So let's get back on the topic, and if you feel you need to say something to me val, pm me, and leave the rest of the poor board out of your sick problem towards me, please.

[Koiphenator]

Quote: Originally Posted by junglegeorge12 valarc, I have had it with you- first off, my original post mentioned no names, and I was not referring solely to stephen second-I don't have a problem departing from reality or with conspiracy theories, yet you seem to repeatedly like to throw out personal insults designed to hurt my reputation and feelings. Quite frankly, I am starting to think you are demonpossessed. Even folks who used to be your friend are sick of it. Noone, including me, wants to get on here and read your childish rants about me. You have turned two threads in the last day into personal assaults on me, when what I posted was on topic, and true, and in no way directed at you. I know you are trying to bait and anger me, it's your sick little style. I did not mention you in my posts prior to any of your sick assaults on me. If you want to fight, then come down here and let's do it. Otherwise, leave me alone. Just assume if I post it was not for you, so you have no need to respond. The truth is stephen banned me because I told him he needed to apply his rules fairly, and sent him copies of 83 of your posts that were direct insults at me or others, something the rules in his forum explicitly disallows. I told him if he was going to ban tewa and not an abusive person like you, he should shut it down. He chose to apply his rules unjustly and is suffering the consequences for that, as he should. Stephen has banned many people unfairly, has tried to manipulate 'free contests', and lies all day long to get his selfish little way. That is what rich spoiled brats do. Like you, he has no respect for others or for ways of thinking other than his own. Everyone has known that about him for a while, it's not new news. I told him if he was going to allow a sick jerk like you to insult and bully others around he should shut his site down. As well, your delusions about me threatening you, are just that. What I stated was someone who throws out insults at others like you do will eventually destroy himself. If you consider me emailing your posts to your supervisor a threat, then you must be admitting there is something very wrong about your posts towards me. I still stand by both of those statements. And I am going to ask this in public, to you and Brian. I am sick of the personal attacks by you, valarc, on me, and want them to stop. You have pulled the same agressive and hateful posting style towards me on every board I have been on for almost three months. You obviously have problems upstairs and should seek help for them, noone else finds it nescessary to deride me like you do. So since the problem is clearly between your ears, I am asking Brian to do whatever is needed to make it stop. This thread was about how to help this board stay afloat. The ideas I posted are proven business tactics and will work for everyone. I like this board, and the moderator, and want to see it stay and be successful. So let's get back on the topic, and if you feel you need to say something to me val, pm me, and leave the rest of the poor board out of your sick problem towards me, please.

nfm

[Valarc]

So wait... I sit here and insult you, it's bad and Brian should get involved?

You sit here and insult a guy who's done more to help people in this hobby than you could ever dream to do, and that's fine?

Really I don't need to insult you... your own words say it so much better than I could ever dream to.

Just for kicks, lets go through your ridiculous post point by point...

second-I don't have a problem departing from reality...[snip]... Quite frankly, I am starting to think you are demonpossessed.

I think this one pretty much stands on its own.

You have turned two threads in the last day into personal assaults on me, when what I posted was on topic, and true, and in no way directed at you. I know you are trying to bait and anger me, it's your sick little style.

So it's ok for you to turn threads into personal attacks on Stephen, but when I respond in kind I'm sick? And if it's true, where's the proof? Put your money where your mouth is.

If you want to fight, then come down here and let's do it. Otherwise, leave me alone. Just assume if I post it was not for you, so you have no need to respond.

Again with the violence... and as far as me having no need to respond... in other words you're tired of me illustrating what a fool you are.

has tried to manipulate 'free contests', and lies all day long to get his selfish little way.

More accusations without proof

If you consider me emailing your posts to your supervisor a threat, then you must be admitting there is something very wrong about your posts towards me.

No but it shows your desire to "ruin" me. In fact I told my supervisor about the FIR thing, and like any real scientist would... he laughed like crazy. That's beside the point though, the very fact that you considered forwarding my insults from the INTERNET in an attempt to affect my REAL LIFE job shows how twisted you are. *I* am the sick bully? And dont you think it makes you a bit of a hypocrite to whine about me "trying to ruin your reputation" when you actually threatened to try to ruin my reputation in my own workplace?

And I am going to ask this in public, to you and Brian. I am sick of the personal attacks by you, valarc, on me, and want them to stop. You have pulled the same agressive and hateful posting style towards me on every board I have been on for almost three months.

And I am going to ask this in public, to you and the voices in your head. I am sick of the personal attacks by you, junglegeorge, towards Stephen and anyone associated with his board, and want them to stop. You have pulled the same agressive and hateful posting style towards the people who got so sick of your BS that they finally kicked you out of their community.

You obviously have problems upstairs and should seek help for them, noone else finds it nescessary to deride me like you do.

My only problem upstairs is the fact that my tolerance for nonsense is notoriously low. The only problem is my inability to ignore your hypocrisy and delusions. I'm sure most people read your stuff and just roll their eyes, but I just can't stand by and let such utter drivel go unanswered.

This thread was about how to help this board stay afloat.

Which is exactly why your ridiculous little claims without proof about koiphen were inappropriate.

[junglegeorge12]

I need to ask before I join the joy out here, are there any rules? Or is this a free for all where I can finally put this punk in his place?I need know before I post out here, so stephen's girlfriend doesn't use it to try to get me banned......