GC of UK vs US

[koinut]

I believe that a lot of the advancement from the Brits come from the monetary aspect of the koi they are buying. I know for a fact that the higher end European market buys higher end koi. The best example that I can think of is Martin Plows and Mark Crampton. They are not shy when it comes to purchasing true high end koi.
When I was in Japan, many different breeders quoted me some of their top koi at 5million yen
(about $50,000.00 U.S.), and some wouldn't even tell me the price of their top koi. The quality of koi in Japan is extremely high. When you hear that the breeders don't want to let the koi leave Japan, I don't think it's true. If you show them the right amount of money, believe me, it'll leave Japan. The only ones that they truly will not sell are the Oyagoi.
So at this point, I'd have to say that the Brits have far better koi than those of the people in the U.S.
As far as the Ginrin Showa featured in Koi USA, the judging if I'm not mistaken was based on pictures, and not the actual koi.

[mynamy1]

Koi collection is an appreciation of arts, a living one. In Europe, it seems mostly the English and the Dutch get the koi bugs. But I've never heard of a French koi show? Has anybody? And why? May be Frenchs would rather prefer the art of cuisine? MA Le


ps. Brutuscz, now you 've gotten an ultimate koumonru ... is she a meter yet?

[aquitori]

I just wanted to say RIP to Patt Morita....I think it was the one scene in the Karate Kid 1 movie where I got to love Japanese Style backyards...and plus when DanielSan said "Wow are those fish in the pond?" had to mean he was talking about koi....Peace...

[dick benbow]

Europe has it's own show, that the french,germans dutch etc compete in. An american living there usually is in the top competition for the GC.(Ironic)

Kaisan is the word in japanese that means daily improvement and that's always been my motto.

[dinh]

Quote: Originally Posted by aquitori I just wanted to say RIP to Patt Morita....I think it was the one scene in the Karate Kid 1 movie where I got to love Japanese Style backyards...and plus when DanielSan said "Wow are those fish in the pond?" had to mean he was talking about koi....Peace...

sad to see him goes... peace.

Pat Morita also taught Daniel-San how to catch flies with chopsticks... "focus" was the idea he was trying to express. I remember he lost the Academy Award for the Best Suporting Actor to H. Ngor who appeared in the Killing Fileds, but won many others including some in Karate Kid.

One more thing to remember that long before Pat Morita's success in Hollywood, he was the son of immigration fruit pickers in the farm fields of California. He and his family were forced into the World-War II Internment Camp in California when he was 2 years old.......

[kingkong]

The most recognized "Sensei" in the World, Morita was my hero. Sad news

[KoiCop]

since not all koi are entered into shows, and since koi shows are like judging cut flowers on a particular day, and since different koi shows are held on different days during different seasons of the year, and since different koi are entered in different shows, and since different people judge different koi on different days, and since judges from different associations have different organizational, regional, national, and cultural biases, and since individual shows have different flavors in different years, and since no one person sees for themselves all the koi from all the ponds and all the shows from all the regions from all the countries for several years running -- then how in the world can anybody even begin to approximate the truth?

That would be like trying to choose the most beautiful woman in the world from a sample of only two Playboy articles: The Girls of the Big 10 vs. the Girls of Wal-mart. Don

[Brutuscz]

Quote: Originally Posted by mynamy1 Koi collection is an appreciation of arts, a living one. In Europe, it seems mostly the English and the Dutch get the koi bugs. But I've never heard of a French koi show? Has anybody? And why? May be Frenchs would rather prefer the art of cuisine? MA Le ps. Brutuscz, now you 've gotten an ultimate koumonru ... is she a meter yet?

LOL....and then some!!!
I really feel the quality is similar..just the English seem to get better fish into competition. When I check the websites for koi on sale, I compare the retail ones in GB to the USA. I think what is being sold from pan intercorp or keirin is just as good as any retail facility in GB. If I'm wrong...then show me the retail facility website in GB that is a great deal better than these two places?!?!

[Tom C]

If we look at some of the top koi in the US we will see they came from Peter Waddington in the UK. I don't know what it is, but that man knows his koi.

[Dan Blatt]

Personally I think the overall selection of higher quality koi goes to the UK hands down. Yeah, a few dealers here have similar goods, but not nearly the quality or quantity in my mind. Perhaps because they are over there and it too expensive to ship them here, therefore I can't get them, makes me feel this way....who knows. All I know is I look at alot of sites worldwide on a continual basis, and I know I would buy more if I could access UK koi. JMHO mind you.