Such a shame...

[Newt]

I haven't visited Koi-Bito for a week now, and just read some of the going's on. I don't know what happened on the 'sand' thread, but read reference to it on 'destroying Koi-Bito.' This has always been one of the 'serious' boards, without the crap that some of the others attract It's such a shame that lately this seems to not be the case. It wouldn't surprise me if Brian were to pull the plug one of these days, and then what will you have left?

It's simple, everyone. If someone posts something to get a reaction and you don't reply, they will stop. If someone insults you and you don't take the bait, again...they will stop. To turn a board like Bito into a pissing match, well, again...such a shame. Brian had to finally resort to moderation, and even that seems to not matter to some of you. It's become a game now for some to see how far they can go before they get shut down.

Anyway, as I've said before, Newt's is open for the 'off-topic, no-holds-barred' side of the hobby, and you are all welcome to take it there. Valarc and some others seem afraid of going there where they will not have the 'protection' of heavy moderation, but they continue to take shots at people and push the envelope here. And Joe...they miss you over there, seriously. Get on back.

Let's see if you all can respect Brian and JNorth and leave Koi-Bito in peace.

Newt

http://www.newtcity.com/yabbse/index.php

[Valarc]

'cause I know how ya'll love the emoticons

[Valarc]

I've been directed to Newt's unhealthy obsession with me over at his own board, and against my better judgement read what he had to say

Here's some "for the record" for ya, newt.

For the record - I have never, nor will I ever, worship Stephen or anyone else. I have been on the verge of banning on several occasions at koiphen - when I disagree with someone, I say it, no matter WHO it is. It just so happens that the people who frequent your board have a higher concentration of idiocy than most, and thus I'm more inclined to disagree with them more often.

For the record - I'm not "afraid" to post at Newt's, I choose not to. For the same reason I choose not to enter a brothel or a crackhouse. Your board represents a sector of internet society which I will never associate myself with.

For the record - I never claimed to be some expert in koi, I have always presented myself as a fast-learning newbie who has a pretty good nose for BS, and when I notice something that stinks, I point it out.

For the record - my selling off of my indoor pond has nothing to do with my interest in koi, or somehow reaching my peak. It has everything to do with the long hours I'm putting into my real job. Koi is a hobby, and I choose to put the hobby on the back burner while I focus on more important things. Unlike you, I am not a bitter old man who has nothing better to do in his life but cause troubles for others, I am a young man just starting out in the world - the hobby will still be there when I have the time for it.

It's pretty clear to me what's happened here - you define yourself, you gain your value in life, from the fight. Stephen has been relatively quiet lately, so you needed to find a new target. You just can't stand to spend one minute thinking about how truly pathetic you are, so you find anyone and anything you can, and lash out at them. Earlier I called you a bitter old man - perhaps I was wrong, you're just a desperate child screaming for attention and self validation.

Well, here's your validation, Newt - I've read your rantings, I've given you the attention you so desperately desire. I've played into your little game, no matter what persona you have used. I hope you have enjoyed it. I hope I managed to bring a little joy into your life. I hope you spend one more night looking into the mirror and thiking "how the hell did I get like this". Because, if some ridiculous crusade on the internet against someone you've never met, and know nothing about, truly makes you happy, then please continue it. I wish I could gain my own happiness from such trite, meaningless things.

You know the difference between you and me? When I have a problem with soemone, I say it. I don't hide behind my own private board or false identities. I don't spend one minute blaming someone for poisoning boards and start a "board wars" category the next. I might be an *******, but you are an ******* AND a hypocrite.

Please, let your next attack come. Tear me apart on your board where you are "safe" from moderation. Log in and make your subtle jabs at me. Bait me to reply then call me scum for doing so. Play your little game. It's only the internet, and I could care less what games you play. The people who truly matter to me in this hobby, the ones whose opinions I value and respect, have met me at koi shows, or will meet me at koi shows in the future. No amount of your internet drama will change my own sense of self worth, or the opinions those folks have formed about me face to face.

[luke frisbee]

hey Princess Valarie what part of being a horse's ass do you not understand....first you state how great you are by not choosing to enter newt's site...well that don't mean squat if you post like newt's here on KB.
If you want to call a group of people names and pretend like you are holier than they are with your next breath you are full of Koiphen pooh...
The "I am too good and sensible to post at themudpond because their posts are identical to this post' is as piss poor a logical argument as I have ever seen a retard try to explain....
you should get a plaque.
now stop bad-mouthing people on a "good board" either do it where you will feel safe at Koiphlegm, or in the Mud pond.
How should i title you on the plaque?
Valarie, Concubine of Koiphen?

[Valarc]

Thanks for proving my point, lukie.

[junglegeorge12]

Wow, I am telling you there is a huge market for WWf style koichat. we can have backyard slamfest wrestling matches at the US shows behind the tenst and post the videos of it on a web site. We have to start a WWF koi chat board.

Val, one concern I have, and I mean no disrespect is an obvious point not meant to demean you in any way. Your comment "I have always presented myself as a fast-learning newbie who has a pretty good nose for BS, and when I notice something that stinks, I point it out."Val is kind of self contradictory.

If you are a newbie then that precludes you from being able to accurately identify where or why the real BS is coming from. I have noticed you have been flat wrong by following your 'nose' quite often. I attribute it to you being a well intentioned but rather gullible newbie in some respects. Some times silence and watching are the better part of valor and the best way to develop that 'nose' you are referring to. We are both very intelligent, so taking a word jab at someone for either you or I is easy. You have an above average IQ, so do I, yet it took me years to post in areas you now post as an authority in after months. I am not trying to belittle you but there are alot of politics and business games on these boards you have yet to find out about and really see through. You have no idea who has been whose buddy for decades etc etc.

I respect your intelligence, but your youthful veal is causing you to jump to wrong conclusions and destroy relationships and your own public standing rather repeatedly. Most of the time it is simply out of ignorance of all the relevant facts, and perhaps a little presumption tossed in as well. I wish you had been around during the old days, I think you would see things quite differently and have more friends and less enemies if you had been.

Take some friendly advice and justr relax, you are welcome here and are elarning at an alraming rate, jsut do not mistake that for knowing more than folks who have been around for years. In most chat threads issues are discussed from one angle and with one set of concerns. Due to that the knowledge gleaned is slanted towards that end. It kind of leaves gaps in kowledge and comprehensive understanding of subjects. Such as how a breeder should deal with a pond situation vs how a hobbiest should think, two very different ballgames that only appear to be the same on the surface. So you knowledge is not 'bad', just incomplete.

Take some time before jumping on a particular bandwagon or selling out to a certain ideaology or social position with folks. Not all the folks who appear in chat to the 'big guns' who are 'respected' really are. Often they ar repsectd in some ways, but not others and have reputations inside the industry that are not as rosey as a forum may lead you to believe, for varieties of reasons. Try to chill some, relax, ask more questions, get to know who some of the different folks are. Your zeal is inspiring, but your presumptuous shotgun approach is tiring.
If you really knew Newt you would know he is not a bad guy. Easy to make friends with and not snooty and will share valuable info with you for the asking. Others are far more snooty, and really know about the same and even less, believe it or not. You have to remember, verbal posting and linguistic skill is not real koi knowledge.

When I first got to koi chats I made some of the same presumtion errors. It took years of watching and seeing folks change their whole line on things to realize who was really what and who could be trusted. I also watched how they came by their supposedly 'deep knowledge'(and how nasty they be along the way) they now pass on as though they are gurus, really they are cutting and pasting out of old articles and books that were hot chat topics years ago, and presenting it to you as though they were perhaps the authors. Ironically, it is folks they often have you disrespecting that were the original authors and inspiration in those areas, but you don't even know that.

I like sharing with everyone in here, but not everyone is everything they have you thinking they are, and not everyone they have you thinking is 'messed up' or a 'joke', is. Take some time bro, don't divide yourself from good folks too quickly, you may regret it later. But then, knowing them, they will forgive you and be friends with you later even if you beanbrain out on them now.

Everyone knows luke is a worthless old drunk, and everyone knows tomorrow he will forget I said that and chat with me like nothing. Get to know folks val.