Leroy Taba on the Hawaii Goldfish and Carp Association

[jnorth]

Quote: Originally Posted by RayJordan Here are some of the relevent dates listed in Kuroki's Manual to Nishikigoi published in 1981, p271 for the oldest amature koi keepers societies in Japan. Prior to that time all koi organizations were for professional breeders/dealers. 1955 - Nippon Nishigoi Society (Niigata area) 1956 - Western Hiroshima Koi Friends Society (Hiroshima area) 1962 - Oita Airinkai 1965 - Western Hiroshima Koi Friends and Oita Airinkai united and name changed to Western Nippon Airinkai 1965-1966 - Koi Societies from, Chugoku, SHikoku, Kansai, and Kyushu joined WNA. 1968 - WNA changed name to Zen Nippon Airinkai (1968)

This may not matter in this discussion but if you look at pg 36 in Masayuki Amano's "Live Jewels" General Survey of Fancy Carp

"Further, during the Meiji era (1874-1875, A.D.) superb carp belonging to the "Sarasa", "Asagi (light yellow), and "Ki-utsuri" (yellow-tinted) were brought into exsistence, some of which were so high-priced as fifty yen at the money value in those days. Seeing that carp breeding bordered on speculation, the Prefecture authorities considered it proper to put a temporary stop to the industry. These mountain villages, however, had no other noticeable means of livelihood and pastime, and so the ban was lifted before long."

While he doesn't mention clubs it is clear that koi keeping was a pastime for them which means it was a hobby back then as well. The fact that some of them went for higher prices then others clearly shows some sort of judging was used to classify them as being worth more then others.

[RayJordan]

Hi Jay,
You are touching on one of my favorite koi topics. The era of koi development in the Niigata area prior to world war I was the Wild Wild West the emerging koi industry. Special and new types of koi sold for huge sums of money. A developing interest in Koi, Koi Shows, and such ransformed some of the early koi breeders into big time businesses. Tales of expensive parties at the end of the fall harvest, koi farmers coming to town with pockets stuffed with cash, feuds, robbery, and sword fights over koi were some of the reasons selling koi were prohibited for a time.

Makes todays trips to niigata seem pretty tame by comparision. Well at least for most of us it is tame.

[Nancy M.]

Quote: Originally Posted by RayJordan Hi Jay, You are touching on one of my favorite koi topics. The era of koi development in the Niigata area prior to world war I was the Wild Wild West the emerging koi industry. Special and new types of koi sold for huge sums of money. A developing interest in Koi, Koi Shows, and such ransformed some of the early koi breeders into big time businesses. Tales of expensive parties at the end of the fall harvest, koi farmers coming to town with pockets stuffed with cash, feuds, robbery, and sword fights over koi were some of the reasons selling koi were prohibited for a time. Makes todays trips to niigata seem pretty tame by comparision. Well at least for most of us it is tame.

Hi Ray
That would be Jim not Jay

[MikeM]

I believe it was in an old Rinko from the 1980s that I read a reminiscence by an old breeder of a time when the rice farmer-breeders in a village got together with their koi in wooden pails, just showing each other the ones they thought special. I kind of feel it was in the 1920s, but before WWII anyway.

[RayJordan]

My Apologies Jim. I don't know why I typed Jay?

[koicluboftheair]

Thank you and the others Ray that have pointed out some historical specifics and stories. I'm still hoping MikeM or someone would provide as I'd asked specific information as to the history of how AKCA was organized. He stated it was not of Japanese design and I'm curious if like some member clubs if the hub of this supposed confederacy has any documented history of how AKCA was organized as with the info you have provided from Kuroki's manual?

Quote: Originally Posted by RayJordan Here are some of the relevent dates listed in Kuroki's Manual to Nishikigoi published in 1981, p271 for the oldest amature koi keepers societies in Japan. Prior to that time all koi organizations were for professional breeders/dealers. 1955 - Nippon Nishigoi Society (Niigata area) 1956 - Western Hiroshima Koi Friends Society (Hiroshima area) 1962 - Oita Airinkai 1965 - Western Hiroshima Koi Friends and Oita Airinkai united and name changed to Western Nippon Airinkai 1965-1966 - Koi Societies from, Chugoku, SHikoku, Kansai, and Kyushu joined WNA. 1968 - WNA changed name to Zen Nippon Airinkai (1968)

[schildkoi]

Troll Alert, Again

[Nancy M.]

Quote: Originally Posted by schildkoi Troll Alert, Again

LOFLMAO
Troll Alert

[jnorth]

Quote: Originally Posted by RayJordan My Apologies Jim. I don't know why I typed Jay?

Not a problem Ray. Happens all the time .

[koicluboftheair]

Quote: Originally Posted by schildkoi Troll Alert, Again

KOI USA Editor-In-Chief Alert!
At least we can get your honest opinions here Steve

You provide terrific material even if unrelated to the thread I started. Can you point to any specific printed accounts of AKCA's organizational history? As head of the financial support arm of the organization you surely have access to some of the most complete information about the institution?
As I noted initially upon starting this thread, " (I'll repost responses that are not profane) in relation to the story and developing new ones.