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Old 05-07-2009   #1 (permalink)
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New pond woes

First Id like to say hello, my name is Chris. Ive been building my pond for about a month now and have tried to follow all great info Ive read here. I still would like to run my specs by the masters and see if there are any noob-mistakes I might be making.

My pond is 700 gallon plastic lined, aprox 2 1/2 feet deep. I have four small koi that live in it now. I just recieved my FishMate 8W UV/Bio filter which is being fed by an unknown pump at about 300 GPH. Ive treated my water with chlorine neutralizer and algae killer (fish safe of course).

Am I missing anything major that might endanger my fish? Im sure I am since this is my first attempt at koi. any help would be really appreciated.

Thank you!
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you missed joining a local koi club!!!

Seriously no amount of web time can make up for the expertise, advise, and friendship to be had in a local club. And in California...there are a ton to select from. Here is the list from the AKCA home page:


California
  • Bakersfield Koi & WG - Bart Thompson 661-589-6255 E Mail E Mail
  • Camellia Koi Club - Sacramento - Ellen Evasn 916-501-4946 E Mail Web Site
  • Central California - Fresno - Janet Vukovich E Mail
  • Central Coast Koi Club - Debi Gillis 805-239-8760 E Mail
  • Inland Koi Society - Riverside -Kelly Houston 909-885-2503 E Mail Web Site
  • Koi Club of San Diego - Dhirley Elswick 61-222-9825 E Mail San Diego Hotline 619-713-2633 Web Site
  • Koi Kichi & Water Garden Club - Nancy Morales 562-860-8494 E Mail Web Site
  • Mendocino Coast Koi & Water Garden Society - Carol Greenwald 707-964-8280 E Mail
  • Nishiki Koi Club - Orange County - Louie Hernandez 714-533-2353 phone/faxE Mail Web Site
  • San Francisco Bay Area Koi Club - Rich Little 510-659-0267 E Mail Web Site
  • Santa Clara Valley Koi & Watergarden Club - Larry Templton 650-948-7460 E Mail Web Site
  • Shasta Koi & Watergarden Club - Tom Tranbarger 530-527-1532 E Mail Web Site
  • Santa Clarita Koi Club, Jewl Cressall 661-263-9313 E Mail Web Site
  • Southern California Koi Club - Bob Finnegan 949-548-3690 E Mail
  • Ventura County Koi Society - Mary Oxman 805-499-2460
  • Zen Nippon Airinki - S California - Don Kobashigawa 818-882-1032E Mail
  • ZNA Northern California - Karen Turtle 510-527-4174 E Mail Web Site
Your pond might be OK for small baby koi. You need to allow at least 250 gallons per each adult koi with more being much better. And because koi are riverine carp....they need horizontal and vertical room to exercise and develop as they mature. The size of your current pond might not allow that to happen.

Suggestion: Order a copy of Koi for Dummies from Amazon or the local bookstore. It should be around $25. Remember the cheapest koi pond you can build is the one you build....only once.
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I'm no master. I don't even have koi. At 1000 gallons and three feet deep, my pond really isn't big enough for them. But I can tell you of a few fishpond pitfalls you seem to be headed for.

The rule of thumb for small ponds is to turn the water over at least once an hour, hence it would be good to have two to four times the pump you have now. Have you tested for pH, ammonia, and nitrate? If you haven't, you definitely should. You can't tell if water is healthy for fish just by looking at it.

Your fish will outgrow your current pond. If someone tells you that "koi will grow to the size of the pond", what that really means is that your fish will be stunted if their pond is too small. Adult koi are big fish. They need to be able to dive at least four feet to feel safe and get enough exercise. Six feet would be better, especially if you have cold winters. Rules of thumb are 1/2 inch of koi per square foot of surface area and 1000 gallons for the first adult koi plus 250 for each additional koi. Yes, if you look around the forums it's obvious many people stock much more heavily, but seeing as you're just getting started, you should be conservative. Having plenty of pond will provide you with a margin of safety that will get your fish through the mistakes you'll inevitably make. Not having enough pond will make pond keeping a difficult balancing act. A constant struggle to keep the pond from turning into a bog and keep the fish healthy takes the fun out of it, so just don't go there. Your fish may be small now, but it's their genetic destiny to grow into very large, riverine carp, hence, you should plan to build a bigger pond or trade those koi in on a few goldfish.

Goldfish can be had with similar color patterns and only grow to about a foot long, where adult koi are two to three times as large, and hence need four to nine times as much pond. Goldfish are often called the poor man's koi, and they're a good fish to start with if you don't have a large pond. If you go with goldfish, avoid the "fancy" varieties, though, as they are more delicate and can't swim fast to save their lives. Stick to fish-shaped goldfish (standards, comets, and shubunkins) until you really know what you're doing.

Fish in shallow water are an easy meal for a heron. Put something in the pond the fish can hide under, and consider either keeping a net over the pond or getting one of those heron sprinklers. Outdoor dogs are an effective heron deterrent as well.

If you have trees anywhere near the the pond, figure out what you're going to do about the leaves before they start falling. Likewise for icy winters.

You have already avoided the #1 newbie mistake. You're asking questions before you have trouble. Best of luck with your new pond.
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Originally Posted by MCA View Post
you missed joining a local koi club!!!

Seriously no amount of web time can make up for the expertise, advise, and friendship to be had in a local club. And in California...there are a ton to select from. Here is the list from the AKCA home page:


California
  • Bakersfield Koi & WG - Bart Thompson 661-589-6255 E Mail E Mail
  • Camellia Koi Club - Sacramento - Ellen Evasn 916-501-4946 E Mail Web Site
  • Central California - Fresno - Janet Vukovich E Mail
  • Central Coast Koi Club - Debi Gillis 805-239-8760 E Mail
  • Inland Koi Society - Riverside -Kelly Houston 909-885-2503 E Mail Web Site
  • Koi Club of San Diego - Dhirley Elswick 61-222-9825 E Mail San Diego Hotline 619-713-2633 Web Site
  • Koi Kichi & Water Garden Club - Nancy Morales 562-860-8494 E Mail Web Site
  • Mendocino Coast Koi & Water Garden Society - Carol Greenwald 707-964-8280 E Mail
  • Nishiki Koi Club - Orange County - Louie Hernandez 714-533-2353 phone/faxE Mail Web Site
  • San Francisco Bay Area Koi Club - Rich Little 510-659-0267 E Mail Web Site
  • Santa Clara Valley Koi & Watergarden Club - Larry Templton 650-948-7460 E Mail Web Site
  • Shasta Koi & Watergarden Club - Tom Tranbarger 530-527-1532 E Mail Web Site
  • Santa Clarita Koi Club, Jewl Cressall 661-263-9313 E Mail Web Site
  • Southern California Koi Club - Bob Finnegan 949-548-3690 E Mail
  • Ventura County Koi Society - Mary Oxman 805-499-2460
  • Zen Nippon Airinki - S California - Don Kobashigawa 818-882-1032E Mail
  • ZNA Northern California - Karen Turtle 510-527-4174 E Mail Web Site
Your pond might be OK for small baby koi. You need to allow at least 250 gallons per each adult koi with more being much better. And because koi are riverine carp....they need horizontal and vertical room to exercise and develop as they mature. The size of your current pond might not allow that to happen.

Suggestion: Order a copy of Koi for Dummies from Amazon or the local bookstore. It should be around $25. Remember the cheapest koi pond you can build is the one you build....only once.
OK MCA - Get your bearings

Escondido is 30 minutes up the freeway from San Diego. Koi Club of San Diego is the closest, But Inland Koi Society is also a wonderful "semi-close" operation. But definitely come (go) to a meeting.
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