Polyurea sprayed in a dirt hole on geo-textile fabric

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Mike

You want to see one that is sprayed on just dirt? Here is one. The rock in the deep end was the reason we used polyurea instead of liner for the installation. Pond is about 10,500 gallons measured volume. Deep end is just a bit deeper than 6 feet

[Tim C]

Daniel, can you spray over a EPMD liner?

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Well photos would help now wouldnt they?

THis type of installation will not work everywhere. This property had clay, wonderful clay.

Anyway, Butch, your turn!

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Tim, yes you can, and I have repeatedly. The issue is not can I spray over it, but should I.

The surface is great, not too many issues except for the folds. They pose problems, but not that you can not overcome.

I have also sprayed over exposed stone with a clear version of polyurea. Actually we are spraying a little project up northerly from here. Over the last few weeks almost 3800 gallons of polyurea. And they still need us to spray more within the next few weeks. Just can not do it under water

Photos of a small pond sprayed over the natural stone, and some larger stone on the larger project as well. the smaller pond would not hold water, it was an old concrete construction, they had tried different treatments including epoxy's, and all failed within two years. Without having to take out the stonework, we sprayed right over the top.

The larger stone is about the size of a tahoe, and has about 100 mils of polyurea on it.

When dry, and aged, it has a look of being wet, even when dry.

[Upscale]

[THANK YOU FROM ALL OF US WHO TAKE THE TIME AND EFFORT TO LEARN THE TECHNIQUES FOR PROPERLY SPRAYING POLYUREA! SKIP upscalecoatings.com

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Skip

It really pains me to have conversations with people like that. They condescending attitude of “our secret formula” and our secret processes are just plain ole BS. Any company that needs to impress you with their skills in chemistry when it comes to Polyurea is not up to snuff. Basically they are trying to work out details with problems in their system, and they don’t want the liability later on when they change the formulations.

I am dealing with the outfall of one of those companies right now. I never used their product thankfully, but many have. We will have to see how that one plays out over the next few years.

There are some things that are not meant for the do it yourselfer. Polyurea application is one of them. Unless you have a very large pond, and are willing to undergo several days of training in the proper application of the product, learning about the recommended thicknesses for each different application, then nope, to save money you would not want to do it yourself.

30 mils is for covering decking and waterproofing your drive.

120+ mils is recommended for immersion service.

These are industry accepted standards, not something I pulled out of the thin air like Butch’s 50 mils.

You know, the more Butch posted, the more it was made plain he has never had any training in the proper application of Polyurea. Too many generalizations. And the recommendation to keep on spraying one spot till you cover your pinholes, well I had to chuckle. Problem is that without someone telling the truth, someone, maybe even a bunch of someones would have believed him and gone through the agony of thinking they could spray their pond for $3.65 a foot, only to have 6-12 a foot in the project, and it still be leaking.

Oh and Butch, properly applied Polyurea should last 60-70 years without a problem. Why does your materiel only carry a 25 year warranty?

One more quick item. Spraying over the clay that I did in the pond, that type of clay is rock hard and stays that way. STeve and I have gone over the installation several times, and he says it wont work. Well, I beg to differ. And so far, after almost three years, it is working fine. Without a problem. There was one instance where a deer jumped the fence behind the pond, and landed in the shallow middle pool. Normal liners would have been shredded, but because it was polyurea, it never had a problem. The deer broke its jaw on the rockwork, the owner climbed in to keep it from drowning, which was when I took the shots. Little buck. Took it to the animal rehab, but they had to put it down because of a broken spinus process in the back.

Best

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The lady in the photo is Karen. It took a lot of courage to climb into the pond with a struggling young buck, or temporary insanity. When I got there, I don’t know who was screaming louder. You can see the fence the deer jumped. The impact on the liner is more than my limited skills allow me to figure, but any other liner would have been damaged.

[Upscale]

This thread was started by a guy who just wanted to know about any product that could be sprayed on dirt. There isn't. Polyurea is and maybe always will be the ultimate choice for a long term TROUBLE FREE coating. The problem for the DIY guy is that it's an expensive choice and there aren't installers on every block. Thats it. Try what you might but stay away from polyurea as a DIY option! It requires a trained applicator. PERIOD! I could see where you were going with this when you said "educate me"! I enjoyed the "exchange" and thought that you made your points well! Skip

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Skip

THat is a very valid point. One of the other ones I was trying to make is the true costs of doing it yourself.

What Butch was trying to do is use a process that I use on my wife all the time when I want to push a project forward. I understate the price. Yes Butch was technically correct when he stated the product price is $3.65 a foot, but that was not what he posted. He posted you can install it for that over the top of the lining. And as has been shown it just aint so.

As an avid do it yourselfer myself, you have to be honest with yourself as to the actual cost. Dont figure in the equipment to put it down with? Then all you have are a bunch of boxes of materiel and no way to put it down. So when you figure the true costs on something, you are much more informed, and an informed customer is one that will not have ugly suprises at the end of the project.

So lie to your wife on the cost of putting down polyurea, but dont lie to yourself. Be a wise shopper, know your true costs going into the project. You do it for everything else, why not the lining as well.

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[zek]

[quote It took a lot of courage to climb into the pond with a struggling young buck, or temporary insanity.
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Brave woman. I once saw the results of someone trying to finish killing a deer with a hunting knife. The guy didn't have a 4 inch circle of unmarked skin on his body after wresting with a gut shot deer.

Thanks for clearing up the spray issue with Butch. I want to spray my next liner and am quite able with DIY. I think I will have someone do it. Hopefuly the price comes down as the practice becomes more common.