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    San Fran considers ban of selling all pets except fish.

    S.F. considers banning sale of pets except fish

    S.F. considers banning sale of pets except fish
    Carolyn Jones, Chronicle Staff Writer
    Thursday, July 8, 2010

    Sell a guinea pig, go to jail.

    That's the law under consideration by San Francisco's Commission of Animal Control and Welfare. If the commission approves the ordinance at its meeting tonight, San Francisco could soon have what is believed to be the country's first ban on the sale of all pets except fish.

    That includes dogs, cats, hamsters, mice, rats, chinchillas, guinea pigs, birds, snakes, lizards and nearly every other critter, or, as the commission calls them, companion animals.

    "People buy small animals all the time as an impulse buy, don't know what they're getting into, and the animals end up at the shelter and often are euthanized," said commission Chairwoman Sally Stephens. "That's what we'd like to stop."

    San Francisco residents who want a pet would have to go to another city, adopt one from a shelter or rescue group, or find one through the classifieds.

    The Board of Supervisors would have final say on the matter. But not before pet store owners unleash a cacophony of howling, squeaking and squawking.

    "It's terrible. A pet store that can't sell pets? It's ridiculous," said John Chan, manager of Pet Central on Broadway, which has been in business 30 years. "We'd have to close."

    errible for our business'

    Joe Taylor, bird manager of Animal Connection on Judah Street, called the proposal "ludicrous."

    "What difference does it make if you get a parrot at the SPCA or a pet store? If it doesn't work out, in either case, you just bring it back," Taylor said. "This would be terrible for our business."

    The idea originated about two years ago, when the commission began looking into a ban on dog and cat sales as a way to discourage puppy and kitten mills. But the city's animal control staff said that excess puppies and kittens are not the problem at the city shelter, thanks to the plethora of rescue groups. In any case, only one or two pet stores in San Francisco sell dogs and cats. The rest stick to small animals.

    he hamster problem

    The real problem, staff said, is hamsters.

    People buy the high-strung, nocturnal rodents because they're under the temporary impression that hamsters are cute and cuddly. But the new owners quickly learn that hamsters are, in fact, prone to biting, gnawing through expensive wiring and maniacally racing on their exercise wheels at 2 a.m.

    So the animals end up at the shelter. Just about every species has its own rescue group in San Francisco, but no one seems to want hamsters. Hamsters are the No. 1 animal euthanized at the city's shelter, said San Francisco Animal Care and Control director Rebecca Katz.

    "It's definitely a concern," she said. "They're an impulse buy, and we do sometimes get tons of them, especially babies."

    ommitted owners

    On Wednesday, the shelter, which is on 15th Street in the Mission District, had six hamsters, nine rabbits, nine mice, nine rats, two guinea pigs, a bowl of goldfish, two birds, a leopard gecko, a bearded dragon and a hermit crab named Charlie.

    But those shelter hamsters almost certainly did not originate at a pet store, said Michael Maddox, general counsel for the Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council in Washington, D.C.

    Studies by UC Davis and the National Council on Pet Population Study and Policy have shown that only a small fraction of shelter animals were purchased at pet stores, he said. People who buy animals at pet stores are just as committed, emotionally and financially, to caring for their pets as people who procure pets elsewhere, he said.

    "This is an anti-pet proposal from people who oppose the keeping of pets," he said. "If their goal is to ban the ownership of pets entirely, then this is a good first step."

    The commission plans to listen to testimony from pet store owners, among others, before voting. Among the items it will consider is the impact on small businesses, whether to allow the sale of feeder rodents for snakes and other reptiles, the sale of fish, owner education, penalties and rescue groups that host adoptions at pet stores.

    "We're still in the information-gathering phase," said Commissioner Philip Gerrie, who is sponsoring the proposal. "We're trying to get at the problem of people buying these creatures with the best intentions, but then the reality turns out quite different."

    eeting tonight

    San Francisco's Commission of Animal Control and Welfare meets at 5:30 p.m. today at City Hall, Room 408, to consider an ordinance banning the sale of pets, except for fish, in San Francisco.

    -- For more information, go to sfgate.com/ZJYO.

    uthanized pets in s.f.

    13% Percentage of dogs and cats at the San Francisco animal shelter that are euthanized, including aggressive, injured and sick animals.

    35% Percentage of dogs and cats in shelters nationwide that are euthanized.

    30% Percentage of hamsters, guinea pigs, rabbits and other small animals at the San Francisco shelter that are euthanized.

    Source: San Francisco Animal Care and Control

    E-mail Carolyn Jones at [email protected].

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    I'd love it if it passed.
    It would be great to watch how a community modifies itself based on this law....
    having a pet would have a greater extrinsic value and therefore create an environment where animals were treated better because they were rare.
    everyone that really wanted an animal could go buy one...just in another town.

    particularly disturbing is the statement that most of the hamsters in the animal shelter were not bought at a pet store...
    I wonder what would be the case if only sterilized hamsters were sold.

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    Or someone could start selling dog collars for $1000 and it comes with a free Yorkie. Or sell a bird cage for $125 and it comes with a free bird. What a stupid law.

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    Why not just ban the sale of hamsters?
    Heck you can't get ferrets legaly in California yet, that is becuase they are affriad the ferrets will get out and breed with the weasles. However Petsmart, and Petco carry a LARGE variety of ferret related items.
    You can't legaly own gerbiles in California either, I think the worry there is ag. related. So why should banning hamsters be any different? Heck rats make better pets anyways, you just got to get past that earthworm of a tail...
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    I agree! Why anyone would want a hamster for a pet is beyond me. Their only endearing feature is their cute little cheeks. Otherwise, they are nasty little things. Rats are much nicer and smarter.

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    I was living in San Francisco about 30 years ago (I was a teenager at the time), and I remember when then-Mayor Diane Feinstein passed a law banning the sale of any sort of constrictor snake within S.F. It has been a while, but I think tarantulas became illegal to sell as well at that time. I thus had to travel 20 miles to the town of Emeryville in order to purchase my Columbia Red-Tailed Boa. Stupid law.

    Supposedly, Mayor Feinstein got this law enacted in order to protect the public (partly in response to a situation in another state where a Reticulated Python killed an infant -- stupid owners!), but I have always felt that Feinstein was -- and is -- an ignorant person who was scared of spiders and snakes.

    Feinstein also ram-rodded the passing of an ordnance outlawing the ownership of a handgun within the city limits.....it was eventually repealed following widespread civil defiance, but I digress. I guess that snake thing really pissed me off.

    So here we are today, and I have not lived in SF since that time, and........what's that, SF? You have a few too many hamsters on your hands? Gee......if only there was some ecologically sound manner to dispose of these surplus rodents? (....sssssssss.....)

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    That was funny Paul
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    paul provides me with the purfect pet owner...
    Was it so hard ot drive 20 miles to purchase a pet?
    But guess what...Citizens weren't denied pets....pets became less of an impulse purchase and more of a desired possession...WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT ALL OF YOU CLAIM YOU WANT PEOPLE TO THINK OF KOI AS....
    "No you are evil and worthless if you put koi in that water feature...blah blah blah..."
    Well the Water feature people would be less likely to stock koi in them if they had to travel 20 miles instead of buy em at the garden center or petsmart.
    You're a hypocrit if you are against treating koi as disposable fish to be restocked each Spring in the Water features across America yet feel as though every snot-nosed 10 yr old should be allowed to take a hamster home and then ignore it to the point where the parents feel sorry for it and end up having to give it a bare minimum standard of care or turning it loose in the alley.
    making the possession of ALL animals more difficult is a humane proposition..people that really want pets and are willing to provide for them should be able to have them, but at a significant cost and obligation.

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    The San Fran pols think kids should have easy access to drugs not pets. The inmates are running the asylum in the city by the bay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dizzyfish View Post
    The San Fran pols think kids should have easy access to drugs not pets. The inmates are running the asylum in the city by the bay.
    Marijuana is legal here in San Fran dude, so yes, you can get it easily....
    What do you expect from the great liberal city on earth? San Fran is also known as the "Green" people city. Next time, it will consider banning sale of all veggie plants, except marijuana....

    BTW, "the place by the bay" was closed sometime back. So I guess the inmates are running from other place ;-))

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