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Thread: Inheritance of long fins in koi

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    Honmei ricshaw's Avatar
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    Long fins sell on eBay.

    From back in November 2011;



    "Supply and DEMAND"

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    right! Now find me a great whiskered, longfin in black or grey and black! Doitsu in silver and yellow or black and white-- need those long barbels and these long flowing fins.!

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    more eBay

    Quote Originally Posted by JasPR View Post
    right! Now find me a great whiskered, longfin in black or grey and black! Doitsu in silver and yellow or black and white-- need those long barbels and these long flowing fins.!
    Not GREAT (but the seller thinks so);

    20" - 21" HIGH QUALITY BUTTERFLY KARASUGOI JAPANESE LIVE KOI FISH

    I had to add this one;

    BEAUTIFUL 18" H.Q. KAWARI BUTTERFLY LIVE KOI FISH "LOOK" ONE IN A BILLION KOI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasPR View Post
    But longfins don't really have any value? JR
    Visual and enjoyment, but there is not a market or mass appeal worldwide as there is with traditional koi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricshaw View Post
    and the breeder is Marudo ????????

    guess we should ask Devin if he was secretly doing longfins when over there
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    we are all spoiled and over educated when it comes to Nishikigoi! the skin and the quality is a dimension in and of itself. And the natural look of a strong powerful koi is not to be denied!
    But if you see longfins as I do, a unique species that expresses an entirely different impression, then skin quality and natural look are not the point!
    they are exotic and sureal in impression- more feminine than masculine and more fantasy than artistic. JR

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    Long fins are not Nishikigoi and when exhibited with are confusing and misleading for the public IMHO. Better, I think for the hobby if those that appreciated them had "The Long Fin Club of ............"

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    I'll agree again with that point of view-- not because I hate the look of longfins! But because they are terrible Nishikigoi!
    Yet they hold the potential to become an entirely different image and collectable. I'd go so far as to say, I'd even tweak a koi pond in certain ways to improve their growth/shape and protect their finnage. They certainly can't swim like nishikigoi so that is the place to start in designing a system for a 'dragon carp' collection. It could actually be a fun project-- to build the perfect dragon carp environment. Filters similar but maybe with turn over rate changing, the design should be tweaked as well. JR

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    to keep the seperate longfin from reg fin seperate the judging standard needs to change also to be really different.

    i believe(correct me if wrong) they are being judged on nice round end edges of pec fins.now i do not like the long stranded pec fins but like the "bird wing or dragon wing" and so what if jagged and not perfect smooth around the outside.
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    I think the mistake that was made in creating a 'longfin koi' standard by US judging groups is that long fin carp should look like nishikigoi only with the goldfish standard for fin carriage applied!
    Longfin koi are no closer to goldfish than they are nishikigoi. So that was just a plain 'misfire' by well intentioned people.

    Longfin are a unique species/subspecies that are physically differnet but also artistically different than goldfish OR nishikigoi.

    From this debate, I hope that a new view of longfin carp will emerge-- one that sees them as differnet and disticnct from the their cousins the goldfish and the nishikigoi. JR

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