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Thread: Your favorite Breeder for Gosanke

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    Lightbulb Your favorite Breeder for Gosanke

    Hi @ all,

    there is a very interesting thread in german koi-forum.

    It's about favorite breeders of gosanke.

    So now I'm interessted in your opinion, becuase a lot of you guys very a lot of experience.

    Whats your favorite breeder for Gosanke??

    My opinion:

    Showa=Dainichii
    Kohaku=Hoshino
    Sanke=Tanaka
    Shiro Utsuri=Omosako

    I'm very interessted in your answers.


    Greetz Nico

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    Hi Nico,

    I'm going to compile a list, not necessarily my list as I should try to be impartial.

    But first...since you're one of our friends from Germany, would you mind testing out the new language features for threads, and the language interface for your profile? You can choose German, you know...
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    Wink All a matter of preference, I guess...

    Nico,

    This is quite a subjective question, and I think that personal taste has as much to do with the answer as any other factor. Your favorites are always your favorites, regardless of popular opinion, etc. and I think that this is one thing that is somewhat unique about nishikigoi.

    Some will seek out koi from the larger and more renowned breeders, while others tend to gravitate towards smallers regional ones close to home. May not make much difference around the world, but these are trends that exist in Japan.

    So, to answer your question, I've compiled a list of peoples' favorites here in Japan. The list is divided up into northern and southern Japan.

    In the north:

    Niigata

    Kohaku - Dainichi, Hoshikin, Hansuke, Torazo, Yamamatsu, Kansuke, Kurabe, Marudo, Yozen, etc.

    Sanke - Yamatsu, Torazo, Marudo, Dainichi, Shintaro, Sanroku, etc.

    Showa - Dainichi, Sekiguchi, Nagashima, Seijuro, Yamau, Marudo, etc.

    Shiro utsuri - Nagashima, Kaneko, etc.

    And favorites for some of everything - Miyaishi, Hosokai, Uragara, Kawakami YJ, etc.

    Nagano

    Showa - Nozawa

    Shiro - Moriya

    Chiba

    Kohaku - Takachio, Horikoshi, Murata, Tani, Gontaro

    Kanagawa

    Kohaku, Sanke - Marumi

    Showa - Ikuta

    Yamanashi

    Kohaku - Maruyama, Sakuma, Suien

    Sanke - Isawa NC

    Showa - Maruyama, Sakuma

    Shizuoka

    Shiro - Namiki


    In the south:


    Aichi

    Kohaku - Koi no Yohei, Marutoshi

    Sanke - Koi no Yohei

    Okayama

    Kohaku, Sanke, Showa, etc. - Momotaro

    Hiroshima

    Kohaku - Sakai, Konishi, Takeda, Takigawa, Wakabayashi, Fujikawa, Oyama, Tamaura

    Sanke - Sakai, Konishi, Takeda, Takigawa, Wakabayashi, Oyama, Tamaura

    Showa - Sakai, Takeda, Takigawa, Wakabayashi, Oyama, Tamaura

    Shiro - Omosako, Takigawa, Tamaura, Konishi

    Shimane

    Kohaku - Matsue, Yamato-ya

    Sanke - Yamato-ya

    Fukuoka

    Kohaku - Ogata, Maruchika, Ikenaga, Okawa NC, Kinsuien, Rikoen, Takeda

    Sanke - Rikoen, Ogata, Ikenaga

    Showa - Ogata, Okawa NC, Maruchika

    Nagasaki

    Kohaku, Sanke, Showa - Ogawa

    Kumamoto

    Showa - Ueno

    Not a definitive list, but rather one that lists the breeders that seem to have their koi brought to shows often by hobbyists.
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    Nico,
    Not wishing to be pedantic, but Utsuri isn't go-sanke. No reason why it shouldn't be with-in your question but.. just wanted to point out.

    Brian,
    Very valid points and interesting list, thanks.
    Andrew

    "Gentlemen prefer ponds"

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    @ Andrew

    I know, that Utsuri traditionally doesn't belong to the Gosanke, but they are the fourth force on the koi-market.

    @ Brian

    A very interessting list, with some breeders i didn't know. yet!!!

    But I'm interessted in your opinion about the best breeders, especially in niigata.

    Torazo for example has an unstable bloodline, a lot of this koi, loose their Hi in the age.

    The Sakai Koi are full of antibiotics and with Ogata-Gosanke, I made bad experiences...


    Greetz Nico

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    Brian,


    Very nice list. But I don't see 'Momotaro' anywhere in the list. Do my eyes missing out something?

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    Brian,
    For Kohaku what about Hasegawa, and for Shiro, Seki? I'd have thought both worthy of inclusion.

    Kiky,
    Momotaro are there, under Okayama.
    Andrew

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew
    Brian,
    For Kohaku what about Hasegawa, and for Shiro, Seki? I'd have thought both worthy of inclusion.
    Andrew,

    Like I said, not a definitive list, but rather just what came to mind when I made the post. It certainly is subjective, so why doesn't everyone have a crack at posting who some of their favorite breeders are?

    Remember, I have to remain objective, so you'll never get a list of favorites out of me.
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    Hi all, I have to ask, but no one has mentioned Yagenji from Niigata for shiro utsuri or showa. Around Yamakoshi this october you wont find better. But yamamatsu for sanke and kohaku.And I believe he is doing more and more shiro utsuri.


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    Hi Simon,

    You're absolutely right, and nothing more than an oversight.
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