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  • #31

    As I said in another forum(Koichat?), it is best to stick to sharing observations and stay away from theories.

    Tewa, you point is made. Another point is that the "FIR explanation " is actually turning people away from BH.

    I am one of those who are impressed by the results form BH/Bakki Shower combination , but I am NOT impressed by the "scientific explanations" forwarded .

    Peace.
    Bancherd

    Thai Koi-Keepers' Group

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    • #32

      C'mon guys...play nice and maintain the "wa" of the board.
      Brian Sousa
      Koi-Bito Forum

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      • #33

        Hi guys, I hesitate to jump into this thread but here goes. I have built my own Bakki Shower and I am 90% done with installing it. It's made out of stainless with 3 stacked tray etc so its the real deal. My plan is to use Matala at the bottom with lava on top of that for the first round of testing. I am going to document orp, tds and ph readings daily of my 2 ponds. One pond will have the bakki installed and the other will not. Current orp readings are 195 on the non bakki and 140(ouch) on the pond that will soon be running the bakki. If there is anything else you guys think I should test during this let me know. I have no plans to test ammonia or nitrites as both of these ponds test out at 0 for both always. I will be posting this data to my website starting in the next week or so when I finish the unit up. If this round goes well and shows marked improvement then I may switch media and do another round of tests as well to see if that can be improved upon. BTW this will be at the end of a fairly standard US setup settlement-pump-bead-uv then the bakki.
        Koi-Unit

        ZNA Potomac Koi Club

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        • #34

          Tewa:

          First let me say that I fall into category 1. as a true believer of Bac House...use it on both our ponds...Am very happy with it...

          Having said that, I also have to say that your constant promoting of the product on this and other boards is kinda self serving, don't you think, since you're selling the stuff in OZ...

          It's better for Maurice and guys like myself to promote it, if and when we want, that way the facts don't get confusing... i.e. are you saying what you say because it's fact or because you're selling it...

          Haven't read any of the other posts in this thread, because quite frankly, I find the subject boring after so many posts...

          Aloha! Mike

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          • #35

            Originally posted by Mike T
            Tewa:

            First let me say that I fall into category 1. as a true believer of Bac House...use it on both our ponds...Am very happy with it...

            Having said that, I also have to say that your constant promoting of the product on this and other boards is kinda self serving, don't you think, since you're selling the stuff in OZ...

            It's better for Maurice and guys like myself to promote it, if and when we want, that way the facts don't get confusing... i.e. are you saying what you say because it's fact or because you're selling it...

            Haven't read any of the other posts in this thread, because quite frankly, I find the subject boring after so many posts...

            Aloha! Mike

            Hi Mike

            Thanks i know you and maurice are a great fan of the media and showers. Any honest person would know that posting information about their product will serve the sales of the product, I will not try to even deviate from that fact.

            You have probably seen me post before and in all honesty i rarely post on any forums except probably the australian forum as its a small group still and i am trying to get people interested in participating in that forum. There were many bakki threads on this forum asking for performance and efficacy and I rarely post because there are many bakki shower enthusiast as yourself, sundan, poey, maurice and roger that would share their experiences.

            Had a hobbyist posted information that they tried to research on FIR and BH i would have loved to sit back and just read instead of spendin countless hours on foreign boards UK and US. If you look at the australian koi forum I haven started this thread there because I know there are even less people interested in the science. Too date I dont believe many of the agents have tried to research FIR as they are probably way too busy making money selling the media and koi from their results.

            I will continue to post my information despite people turning away from BH because to me and a few others on any board want to know why maeda put that graph on all his adds. His results are way more than sufficient, and I think maeda would be very happy that hobbyist used bakki showers based on the results and would be even happier to know that those hobbyist truly understood what he and MTTK did with the media, just like he wants to know what kind of pond his koi are going to ensure that the owner enjoys the full potential of the koi and the koi reach its full potential.

            tewa
            There is no such thing as a zero maintenance pond but the closer you get the more time to enjoy your koi. Soft low TDS water is the perfect pond water.
            http://www.tewakoi.com

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            • #36

              Some links that offer some general understanding

              http://www.spacedaily.com/news/materials-04s.html

              http://www.livescience.com/forcesof...ater_bonds.html

              http://csnmt.fme.vutbr.cz/nano02/sbornik/121.pdf#search='ferroelectric%20FIR%20ceramics'

              http://www.alphapiezo.com/history_of_piezo.htm
              How water falling can create energy

              http://www.alphapiezo.com/content_p...c_materials.PDF

              http://www.alphapiezo.com/thermal_p...tic%20Responses

              http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=fe...-276&fl=0&x=wrt
              much more info

              http://www.stormingmedia.us/keywords/constants.html

              http://mmace.nrl.navy.mil:8080/irmm97/ConfProg.html

              http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=fe...-276&fl=0&x=wrt


              Not everything says FIR reduces clusters but these links offer some information on ceramics used in other industries.

              tewa
              There is no such thing as a zero maintenance pond but the closer you get the more time to enjoy your koi. Soft low TDS water is the perfect pond water.
              http://www.tewakoi.com

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              • #37

                I'm in this hobby for the fun and relaxing mood it bring. Of course constant learning makes koi keeping all the more meaningful and interesting.

                I have been using BHM for 2 years. I likes the result so far but I won't gives major credit to BHM for my improved water parameter. I would said that all the eco-system in my pond plays a part.

                I choose to use BHM not because of how much FIR it can generate but because I like the idea of more beneficial bacteria it can house,maintainance free & it doesn't need replacement. Anyway, I do not have any equipment to measure how much FIR BHM can generate or R&D team to confirm the scientific side of it. In fact, whether BHM can generate FIR,Bluetooth frequency or ultra-violet is of little concern to me.

                Some koi keeper even reckoned that BHM could result in Hikkui disease. But I do not see any reasons to fear compare to Maeda san who use BHM on his 1500ton pond inhabited with 8-9 GC & Kokugyo prize winners I only have 2 GC runner-up & 1 2nd runner-up.

                Those who have tried BS with BHM gives 2 thumbs-up for all the reasons we know. Those who have not I would suggest give it a try with a neutral mind. If you don't like it there are lots of other media around.

                Assumption lead to misunderstanding and unpleasanties.

                SF

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                • #38

                  Thanks for sharing swordfish
                  There is no such thing as a zero maintenance pond but the closer you get the more time to enjoy your koi. Soft low TDS water is the perfect pond water.
                  http://www.tewakoi.com

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                  • #39

                    My koi definitely loves the torrent of water rushing out from my BS. You can often see them fooling around with the mad rush of water from the BS.

                    In our tropical hot weather the more the water have in contact with air the merrier even though my pond is very well aerated. It helps to bring down the temperature a bit too.
                    SF

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                    • #40

                      So Roger, what is your real opinion of us Westerners? What does it say about us?
                      Koi-Unit
                      " Da Best" Chapter
                      xxx

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                      • #41

                        Hey whatever works, works right? The key to the Bakki Shower is the Bacteria House Media...You can put whatever media you like in a Bakki Shower and it will be just a trickle tower. The Bacteria House Media is expensive and for me to cross-over to it would mean it would have to come down in price...Well anyways, if your the type of hobbyist that likes to mess with something that aint broken then I suggest people go out and try it....I have a shallow pocket so I would just wait until this thing goes fully main stream then try it....The stuff is amazing have to admit, how the Bacteria House works, can't explain....
                        The world sleeps as the chance to learn something new passes.

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                        • #42

                          Roger's 5 Commandments
                          1 Thou shall stop posting untill the cow's come home
                          2 Thou shall wonder what un-friendly advise must sound like
                          3 Thou shall pay more attention to thy koi and less to thy neighbor
                          4 Thou shall envy thy neighbor's koi pond
                          5 Thou shall not practice in saturated marketing schemes

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                          • #43

                            Hi tewa.

                            Do anyof you haev pics of growth from using BH, I would especially like to see the person with the runner ups photos if he has any. I would enjoy to see them.
                            'Sometimes it take a talking donkey to turn things around in the right direction, ask Balaam."

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                            • #44

                              Here is a hilarious but true science link for you tewa, they are using pee to power batteries now. Imagine how FAR out that is?

                              http://www.livescience.com/humanbiol...e_battery.html

                              get this, the team who discovered it are in Singapore.....not Gitville atlanta
                              Now we must harness the power of koi pee to run our pumps ......
                              'Sometimes it take a talking donkey to turn things around in the right direction, ask Balaam."

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                              • #45

                                Originally posted by RogerMoo
                                Forget it, Tewa.....

                                Tewa, a word of friendly advise from me... stop it; don't even bother trying to convey across the message how the BH works whether becos of other factors or FIR. People are not interested to know, neither do believers care.

                                I am happy with the BH and it works for me, how it works, I don't know and I don't care... as long as my koi are growing healthyly and fast. I couldn't be bothered with what people said about my koi or the media - to me, they are good and I am pleased with their overall hi & growth quality.

                                Tewa, if you would have followed all these foreign forum postings, you would have noticed something, let me spelt it out:

                                1) They don't know how to appreciate a koi overall (in terms of description). They just post - "Wow! It's beautiful, I loved it" or "Wow! That's a beautiful koi". If you are to follow some of the postings in koi.com.my (previously, not now) - you would have noticed how the Asian 'disect' the koi and give it an overall appraisal, but not the Westerners. (what does it say about them?)

                                2) I surfed back some posting in koiphen.com and I noticed that Stephen went on a shopping spree in Japan, bought some good koi from breeder like Nogami and others. He has a good garden pond, very elaborately set-up, so... ? I think we could do much better in Asia, with what he has done and the amount of money he spends and the quality of koi he bought. (what does it say about them?)

                                3) The Westerners featured pixs of their ponds (overall) and their elaborate set-up. Yes! I am impressed with their BIG pond size and their elaborate set-up and I used to tell myself - with all those, I think I would be able to do better and grew jumbos and show winning koi, but look at what they are doing. To me, eventhough they are koi lovers, they are koi pondists - a supplementary set-up to complement their overall house or bangalow setup - a presentable and pleasing garden pond with koi supplementing their abode. Yes, I too do agree there are a few serious koi hobbyists in the west but the percentage are small. (what does it say about them?)

                                4) Their recent Koi Show in US. To me, it is more of a gathering of friends who keeps koi. They are more happy to meet one another there at the show. The number of koi entries are low compared with us here. Moreover, other than the showa featured as a winning koi, others to me are 'standard' koi - nothing overwhelmingly impressive. OK, but nothing as compared from what I saw in Asia and Japan. (what does it say about them?)

                                5) In our country with limited land space, we are doing much, much more better with our simple set-up. We improvise and make good with what we are have and overall, our koi are much, much more better in terms of quality.

                                So Tewa, you could see for yourself within all these forum (this inclusive) - see how they post, what they post, how they talk in the forum (which gives you an overall impression what it's all about) ... and all of a sudden, in come Tewa with all the serious postings - (moreover you have been doing it in koichat, koiphen, NI and now here) - people surf, they read eventhough they don't post - so I would say, Tewa, stop posting it here again; just enjoy what you are doing in OZ, forget about the FIR; Yes! we who use BH knows it's good and so be it.

                                Till now, Tewa did you see and have read any postings by MaedaSan coming out to defends his BH? None. Why? Becos he could not be borthered. He is using it and he is using it good; he believe in what he is using and the results shows - so whether you want to use his BH or not, he couldn't careless. If you believe in my products, these are my price and if you could afford it, go ahead - buy it and use it.

                                It doesn't hurt him a 'damm', so why should you be so 'piss off'. And since you are using it in Oz, show the results to those interested and if they believe in it - go ahead and buy it ie if they could afford it - that's it, so simple.... no point of you posting and posting and posting - till the cows come home - nothing would be concluded and in the end.... everyone in all the forum will get 'pissed off' by you, Tewa.

                                Don't you worry about it - for there is always 2 side of a coin - people who believe, used it and like it and people who don't believe in it or are turned off by its high cost - so be it. Don't you worry about a single bit of it and forget the FIR issue, okay. When you are back home, let's go koi hunting.

                                Cheers
                                Have listened to sea shells that made more sense than your xenophobic rant. Not only that, but you've gone and totally disrupted my wa. (hey, what does that say about you?) Don
                                Don Chandler
                                Member: AKCA, ZNA, KoiUSA

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